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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 7:13:54 GMT -5
Ken, me thinks ye simply want to argue. I don't give my interpretations of scriptures because they have already been interpreted for me, I only re-quote them, and I've never ever given ye any misunderstandings either. Shalom Eliyahu, you became a Scripture "contortionist" in trying to interpret a Sabbath every 7 days by a lunar calendar for the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it state there is a Sabbath every seven days on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month...you have to contort the Scriptures to interpret your fantasy about the lunar sabbath. The Sabbath was given as a SIGN, for in six days Elohim created, and THEN rested on the Seventh Day...not the 8th day nor the 15th day, nor the 22nd day nor the 29th day. He also gave manna every SIX days and then had them rest on the Seventh Day. A lunar sabbath would not allow every six days for manna and then the Seventh Day to rest and not gather the manna. You truly have to INTERPRET your lunar sabbath CONTRARY to the PLAIN written word of the Scriptures, and yet you claim you don't INTERPRET? Sorry Eliyahu, you INTERPRET your OWN understandings, and NOT the PLAIN written word of the Scriptures to get so many of YOUR teachings to contort to your imaginations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. And no, I will not explain the 10 horns to you until you confess (honestly believe) that The Beast IS Sinful or Carnal Man. Ah that's right Ken, when all else fails, then accuse me of exactly what ye do, case in point, like ye twisting Luke 24:21 to not really mean the 3rd day but the 4th day since these things were done. And how about your latest twisting, like the vaccine is like getting a dose of sin, why everyone needs a little dose of sin to fix the right up, LOL |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 7:27:18 GMT -5
And Ken, yes the true Sabbath was given as a SIGN, but only on Yah's calendar of scripture, and not the Roman calendar, ye seem to identify the seventh day in the scriptures, but ye can't seem to identify ye the first day in the scriptures can ye?
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2022 10:19:32 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Will you answer me a simple question? Did Christ die for you, yes or no? And as for your interpretation that 'Sinful/Carnal Man IS the Beast, and what MARKS Sinful Man AS the Beast IS sin' neither the angel told John this; and neither did John write this anywhere, and if this is what John meant, then he would have written and told us this, because it's a book of revealing and not concealing. Shalom Ron, the answer to your simple question is yes. Now, you had me go and listen for more than an hour to a man saying that the mark of the beast of Revelations is Sunday worship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the Apostle John WRITE that anywhere, or do you just pick and chose what you think is right in your own mind? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew: I never wrote nor said that Sunday was in the book of Revelation; what i was noting was the kingdoms that Veith referred to. You don't like that one, then watch this one below, because it's self explaining. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyR6RZ49Co |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 11:33:47 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, the answer to your simple question is yes. Now, you had me go and listen for more than an hour to a man saying that the mark of the beast of Revelations is Sunday worship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the Apostle John WRITE that anywhere, or do you just pick and chose what you think is right in your own mind? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew: I never wrote nor said that Sunday was in the book of Revelation; what i was noting was the kingdoms that Veith referred to. You don't like that one, then watch this one below, because it's self explaining. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyR6RZ49CoShalom Ron, the "picking and choosing" in your own mind is evident by your endorsement to "do well" in watching Walther Veith's video. Now, Walther Veith AND the WLC BOTH teach there is no distinction between The Beast and The Whore...they are one and the same. Do you agree with picking and choosing that INTERPRETATION? Is that what you think is "right in your own mind?" Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 11:40:41 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, and BTW, WLC also TEACHES the same as Walter Veith concerning the "mark of the beast." They say it is Sunday worship. So why would you send me to another false teaching group that professes something that you do not believe? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2022 11:43:05 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: It makes more sense than what you've presented so far; and if the mark of the beast is sin, then John would have written that, but he didn't. If you have more of your ideas on the subject then let us hear and read them, instead of trying to force us to confess to your own beliefs.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 11:49:42 GMT -5
Ken, what do ye think "the image of the beast" is?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 11:57:21 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: It makes more sense than what you've presented so far; and if the mark of the beast is sin, then John would have written that, but he didn't. If you have more of your ideas on the subject then let us hear and read them, instead of trying to force us to confess to your own beliefs. Shalom Ron, no it doesn't make more sense. The Beast and The Whore to TWO separate distinct entities, not one in the same. Also, if the mark of the beast is Sunday worship, by your OWN standards, don't you think the Apostle John would have spelled that out and WRITTEN it? Now, why don't you go and read Job 10:14 to see what it is that MARKS. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:02:39 GMT -5
The Beast and The Whore ARE TWO separate distinct entities....
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2022 12:04:34 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: It's not the mark of man, it's the mark of the beast, and as I said if you have more to add go ahead and do it.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 12:11:03 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: It's not the mark of man, it's the mark of the beast, and as I said if you have more to add go ahead and do it. Ron, I've been trying to get Ken to speak up, but it's like pulling teeth, and if he's not, then one must wonder why he's here. |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:11:32 GMT -5
Ken, what do ye think "the image of the beast" is? Shalom Eliyahu, as you have told me many times....I've already told you. But I will quote what I wrote before: The "image of the beast" is our physical lives and the LUSTS thereof. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 12:18:03 GMT -5
Ken, what do ye think "the image of the beast" is? Shalom Eliyahu, as you have told me many times....I've already told you. But I will quote what I wrote before: The "image of the beast" is our physical lives and the LUSTS thereof. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I'm still willing to listen, so according to you, then we are the beast? |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:18:06 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: It's not the mark of man, it's the mark of the beast, and as I said if you have more to add go ahead and do it. Shalom Ron, it's simple math. 1 + 1 = 2. Sin is what MARKS man, and you now need to read these Scriptures: Psa 49:20, Psa 73:22, Eccl 3:18 Sinful Man IS the Beast, and it is SIN that marks Sinful Man AS the Beast. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2022 12:27:00 GMT -5
ImAHebrew; Both John and Daniel tells us that the beast is a kingdom, they do not tell us that it's us.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:29:41 GMT -5
ImAHebrew; Both John and Daniel tells us that the beast is a kingdom, they do not tell us that it's us. Shalom Ron, ALL of the Kings and Kingdoms of mankind have been part of Sinful Man (The Beast). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:31:26 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, look, you guys chew it over a bit. I have to do something else right now. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 24, 2022 12:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 25, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, as I told you that BOTH Veith and WLC teach The Whore and The Beast are one in the same. I know that is false. I have told you The Beast IS Sinful Man, I'm not sure if I have told you my thoughts on The Whore. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 25, 2022 10:27:05 GMT -5
Ken,
The book of Daniel and Revelation is speaking about more than one beast, and they identify them as rulers-kings and kingdoms, but I'm willing to hear your ideas on who the whore is.
PS. I should have included the prosperity movement -protestant churches as also a part of the Roman church, because they have joined hands, and there is video on youtube proving this.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 25, 2022 11:11:52 GMT -5
Ken, The book of Daniel and Revelation is speaking about more than one beast, and they identify them as rulers-kings and kingdoms, but I'm willing to hear your ideas on who the whore is. PS. I should have included the prosperity movement -protestant churches as also a part of the Roman church, because they have joined hands, and there is video on youtube proving this. Shalom Eliyahu, WLC teaches the 1st beast and the whore is the Catholic Church, and they say the 2nd beast is the United States. I believe the 1st Beast is Sinful Man coming up out of the sea of humanity during the 6000 year rule of Satan. Satan is as the head of sinful man (Yeshua-the devil is your father-head), and Satan in effect receives a "mortal" wound of the Sword, at the RETURN of Messiah, and is cast into the bottomless pit. After the Sabbath (1000 year reign of Messiah and the Two Witnesses), Satan is released to deceive again as that mortal wound is healed. The 2nd Beast is LIKEN unto the 1st Beast, except it arises from the EARTH. This is the resurrection of all of mankind on the 8th Great Day. Satan deceives again, and those who WORSHIP their resurrected SINFUL FLESH (image of the Beast), and take upon themselves the MARK of the Beast (which is SIN), prove they do not deserve or want LIFE. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 25, 2022 11:18:00 GMT -5
Ken, who is the whore then?
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Post by Ron on Oct 25, 2022 11:22:51 GMT -5
Sorry ImAHebrew: John does not tell us that Satan the devil receives a deadly wound-that's your first error.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 25, 2022 11:27:28 GMT -5
Sorry ImAHebrew: John does not tell us that Satan the devil receives a deadly wound-that's your first error. Ron, please let Ken finish, I've offered for him to tell us his views on these things. |
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 25, 2022 11:37:31 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, well, let me narrow it down for you. It is either Judaism or Catholicism.
Shalom Ron, that's okay, I'm hoping that someday you won't believe it is an "error."
Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew....I have to go again, take care.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 26, 2022 7:27:40 GMT -5
Sorry ImAHebrew: John does not tell us that Satan the devil receives a deadly wound-that's your first error. Ron, please let Ken finish, I've offered for him to tell us his views on these things. Shalom Eliyahu, are you like Ron to where all you can "see" is my error? You have been given enough now for you to make a decision concerning The Beast BEING Sinful Man, and The Mark of The Beast BEING Sin. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 26, 2022 12:50:32 GMT -5
Ron, please let Ken finish, I've offered for him to tell us his views on these things. Shalom Eliyahu, are you like Ron to where all you can "see" is my error? You have been given enough now for you to make a decision concerning The Beast BEING Sinful Man, and The Mark of The Beast BEING Sin. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, No I was letting ye finish and trying not to trample on your pearls so to speak, however, I still must go with the book of Daniel and Revelation's own interpretations of the beast, and it's identified as rulers and kingdoms, also, I believe the whore is all religions, including Judaism and Catholicism, because all of them have joined hands. |
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 24, 2024 18:54:43 GMT -5
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