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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 8, 2023 15:46:28 GMT -5
Warning!!Folks this attack on Israel could lead to Israel trying to take out Iran, if this happens it could bring Russia into the conflict also, because Russia backs Iran, and prophecies could be beginning to be fulfilled in the scriptures. Those who know the prophecies will understand what I'm saying.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 9, 2023 12:59:00 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, yes, it has been prophesied there will be wars and rumors of wars, but the "end" is yet to come ( Matt 24:6, Mark 13:7)! More or less meaning we should not be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" will be as in the days of Noah AND Lot, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage having a grand old time, and THEN sudden destruction will come upon them ( Luke 17:26-30)! Yes, I do understand that there will be wars and rumors of wars, and not to be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" is yet to come, thank you. But maybe YOU are thinking about "The Abomination that causes Desolation," yes, that OCCURED about 2000 years ago with Yeshua being completely surrounded, to be PLACED or LIFTED UP upon the Cross (A place where He OUGHT NOT have been made to STAND- Mark 13:14, in THIS Present Age/Time-Holy Place/FIRST Tabernacle- Matt 24:15, Hebrews 9:8-9). So, WHEN you " see" this Abomination, IF your heart is DWELLING in Judaea (the Praise of Yehovah), THEN you MUST flee to the MOUNTAINS of Righteousness ( Psa 36:6, Psa 72:3)! Has YOUR flight occurred YET Eliyahu? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 9, 2023 13:25:33 GMT -5
Shalom Ken, no I was not thinking about the abomination that causes desolation, and we are not told to put a spiritual spin on the prophecies either. Also, the things happening now with Israel will affect us all, we are on the verge of world war 3, but no I'm not worried either though, and it's to bad that Spying removed my witness and warning thread because I spoke of these things coming in that thread.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 10, 2023 16:40:41 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, when people were on the verge of WWI or WWII, should they have been "concerned or troubled," as you seem to be with WWIII? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Oct 11, 2023 10:46:16 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, yes, it has been prophesied there will be wars and rumors of wars, but the "end" is yet to come ( Matt 24:6, Mark 13:7)! More or less meaning we should not be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" will be as in the days of Noah AND Lot, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage having a grand old time, and THEN sudden destruction will come upon them ( Luke 17:26-30)! Yes, I do understand that there will be wars and rumors of wars, and not to be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" is yet to come, thank you. But maybe YOU are thinking about "The Abomination that causes Desolation," yes, that OCCURED about 2000 years ago with Yeshua being completely surrounded, to be PLACED or LIFTED UP upon the Cross (A place where He OUGHT NOT have been made to STAND- Mark 13:14, in THIS Present Age/Time-Holy Place/FIRST Tabernacle- Matt 24:15, Hebrews 9:8-9). So, WHEN you " see" this Abomination, IF your heart is DWELLING in Judaea (the Praise of Yehovah), THEN you MUST flee to the MOUNTAINS of Righteousness ( Psa 36:6, Psa 72:3)! Has YOUR flight occurred YET Eliyahu? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew:You forgot these few verses before in psalms. The truth is that you use and twist the scriptures into your own ideas and then you will argue till hell freezes over to make someone accept your twisted views, and when they do, then you will sit back as snug as a bug in a rug thinking how great you are that you've done something for Yahovah. Messiah didn't say that He was the abomination that makes desolate; you love to put words in in His mouth as you do those that you speak to.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 11, 2023 14:34:02 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, when people were on the verge of WWI or WWII, should they have been "concerned or troubled," as you seem to be with WWIII? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, where did I say that I was worried? I didn't, and Ron is right about you putting words in others mouths. As to WHY I warn others read Ezekiel 33. Also, the US and it's people in WW 1 and 2 didn't have to worry about having it's Cities hit by intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear war heads either, because we are surrounded by the seas, but that won't be the case in the next world war, and the American people has never had to face such things on a grand scale. You need to stop practicing apathy and complacency to evil, while you go around telling others your pet doctrines about the scriptures and how they should believe as you do, all the while murder and theft is rampant in our Country, and so called religious people like you don't want to speak out against it.
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Post by Ron on Oct 11, 2023 14:38:29 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Will you please tell us why you and Spying will not open up loammi forum for everyone to post there, what's the reasons?
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Post by Ruby on Oct 11, 2023 15:37:59 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, when people were on the verge of WWI or WWII, should they have been "concerned or troubled," as you seem to be with WWIII? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, where did I say that I was worried? I didn't, and Ron is right about you putting words in others mouths. As to WHY I warn others read Ezekiel 33. Also, the US and it's people in WW 1 and 2 didn't have to worry about having it's Cities hit by intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear war heads either, because we are surrounded by the seas, but that want be the case in the next world war, and the American people has never had to face such things on a grand scale. You need to stop practicing apathy and complacency to evil, while you go around telling others your pet doctrines about the scriptures and how they should believe as you do, all the while murder and theft is rampant in our Country, and so called religious people don't want to speak out against it. Douglas Macgregor: "THIS IS IT! What's Coming Is WORSE Than A WW3..." www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQ3F7RPVB8
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 11, 2023 17:18:52 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, yes, it has been prophesied there will be wars and rumors of wars, but the "end" is yet to come ( Matt 24:6, Mark 13:7)! More or less meaning we should not be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" will be as in the days of Noah AND Lot, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage having a grand old time, and THEN sudden destruction will come upon them ( Luke 17:26-30)! Yes, I do understand that there will be wars and rumors of wars, and not to be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" is yet to come, thank you. But maybe YOU are thinking about "The Abomination that causes Desolation," yes, that OCCURED about 2000 years ago with Yeshua being completely surrounded, to be PLACED or LIFTED UP upon the Cross (A place where He OUGHT NOT have been made to STAND- Mark 13:14, in THIS Present Age/Time-Holy Place/FIRST Tabernacle- Matt 24:15, Hebrews 9:8-9). So, WHEN you " see" this Abomination, IF your heart is DWELLING in Judaea (the Praise of Yehovah), THEN you MUST flee to the MOUNTAINS of Righteousness ( Psa 36:6, Psa 72:3)! Has YOUR flight occurred YET Eliyahu? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew:You forgot these few verses before in psalms. The truth is that you use and twist the scriptures into your own ideas and then you will argue till hell freezes over to make someone accept your twisted views, and when they do, then you will sit back as snug as a bug in a rug thinking how great you are that you've done something for Yahovah. Messiah didn't say that He was the abomination that makes desolate; you love to put words in in His mouth as you do those that you speak to. Shalom Ron, it's been a while...hello. So, in YOUR thinking and understanding of the Scriptures, the Abomination that causes Desolation ( Let the reader understand) is purely PHYSICAL? Only a FEW physical people, who dwell in physical Judaea, will be able to see this physical abomination that causes desolation, and THEN flee to the physical mountains, hoping that their flight is not on a physical Sabbath, or a physical winter? Hmm? That is sort of sad, IF that's YOUR thinking and understanding. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 11, 2023 17:29:50 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, when people were on the verge of WWI or WWII, should they have been "concerned or troubled," as you seem to be with WWIII? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, where did I say that I was worried? I didn't, and Ron is right about you putting words in others mouths. As to WHY I warn others read Ezekiel 33. Also, the US and it's people in WW 1 and 2 didn't have to worry about having it's Cities hit by intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear war heads either, because we are surrounded by the seas, but that want be the case in the next world war, and the American people has never had to face such things on a grand scale. You need to stop practicing apathy and complacency to evil, while you go around telling others your pet doctrines about the scriptures and how they should believe as you do, all the while murder and theft is rampant in our Country, and so called religious people don't want to speak out against it. Shalom Eliyahu, no matter how worried you are about nuclear war heads, when Messiah returns, everything will be "honky dory." There will be just regular life going on, UNTIL sudden destruction (much worse than nuclear war heads) hits this world. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 11, 2023 18:06:44 GMT -5
Well Ken, I'm not really worried about anything, that's your projection on me though, that's the impression that you want everyone else to believe isn't. I can't help but smile.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 11, 2023 18:12:03 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Will you please tell us why you and Spying will not open up loammi forum for everyone to post there, what's the reasons? Hey Ken, do ye care to give an answer here, even I would like to know too?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 12, 2023 15:37:29 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Will you please tell us why you and Spying will not open up loammi forum for everyone to post there, what's the reasons? Hey Ken, do ye care to give an answer here, even I would like to know too? Shalom Eliyahu, I may have agreed with Spying to remove you and Lucy, and she has come back under another name that she had registered with. I am not involved with the registration process at all, so I don't know IF you could try to register under a different name. But, here's the thing, there is only so much bickering and being nasty that I want to put up with. You can debate, have differences, but be reasonable, and before, you and Lucy were taking up the whole forum with being nasty to each other, and I do believe that is what prompted Spying to remove you both. Now, I have a lot of patience when it comes to dealing with those who I KNOW who are wrong on issues, but once I go over something multiple times and there is no positive headway, I get to the point where I do not want to discuss any further....that is why I left here last time. I do soften over time and tell myself, give it another try, so that is why I come back from time to time. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 12, 2023 15:59:21 GMT -5
Hey Ken, do ye care to give an answer here, even I would like to know too? Shalom Eliyahu, I may have agreed with Spying to remove you and Lucy, and she has come back under another name that she had registered with. I am not involved with the registration process at all, so I don't know IF you could try to register under a different name. But, here's the thing, there is only so much bickering and being nasty that I want to put up with. You can debate, have differences, but be reasonable, and before, you and Lucy were taking up the whole forum with being nasty to each other, and I do believe that is what prompted Spying to remove you both. Now, I have a lot of patience when it comes to dealing with those who I KNOW who are wrong on issues, but once I go over something multiple times and there is no positive headway, I get to the point where I do not want to discuss any further....that is why I left here last time. I do soften over time and tell myself, give it another try, so that is why I come back from time to time. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Spying didn't say that he banned me for bickering with Lucy, he said that he banned me because of not believing and agreeing with the gospel of Paul, but the truth is that I didn't believe nor agree with yours and Spying's own gospel ABOUT Paul's gospel.Also, you can come and go here as ye please, Spying or anyone else can post here if they please. However, I think that Ron is asking you as to what reasons do you and Spying have for not wanting to open up Lo-Ammi forum for guests or anyone to post there as they can here.
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Post by Ron on Oct 12, 2023 16:03:41 GMT -5
Eliyahu: Yeap, that what I was asking him.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 12, 2023 16:32:25 GMT -5
Ken, Spying said a time or two that Lo-Ammi was his forum and not mine, however, I had NEVER EVER said that Lo-Ammii forum was mine, and I think that someone else was private messaging Spying at the time goading him about it, and I think that it was Edmund Dante doing it and influencing Spying to get rid of my threads and to get rid of both Lucy and myself.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 12, 2023 17:04:43 GMT -5
However Ken, I don't hold any grudges or bad feelings toward you and Spying, I forgive and move on.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 13, 2023 7:41:40 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, Spying is going to check to see if LoAmmi can use a "post" as "Guest" feature. He's not sure. In the meantime, as for you forgiving us, IF you are completely wrong about Grace and the One True Gospel, then it will be Spying and myself that will be forgiving you. Do you understand that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 13, 2023 7:59:24 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, Spying is going to check to see if LoAmmi can use a "post" as "Guest" feature. He's not sure. In the meantime, as for you forgiving us, IF you are completely wrong about Grace and the One True Gospel, then it will be Spying and myself that will be forgiving you. Do you understand that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I've already proven that you and Spying are wrong, and the true Gospel is the coming Kingdom of Yah.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 13, 2023 8:14:41 GMT -5
Ken, does Nehemiah Gordon accept your ideas about grace coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 14, 2023 9:00:31 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew, so as such, he would not accept Yeshua as the Messiah. But, I feel he is sort of like the Apostle Paul, as Paul was well advanced over his contemporaries, and had access to all the writings/teachings available in his day. Nehemia Gordon is like that in our time with access to great libraries that most do not have access too. But also like Paul, he needs a "conversion" to where he can put to use all that access. Hopefully, some day he will.
Concerning "grace coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin," you are like those who would twist and distort the Apostle Paul. The way you have "worded" what you say we teach, makes it appear that we say, "Let us do evil (sin), so that good (righteousness) may come." We say exactly the same thing that the Apostle Paul said, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Elohim; being justified FREELY by His Grace..." Yes, as a RESULT of ALL having sinned, there is a justification (being made righteous), by His Free Gift (Grace) to us. So when you say grace is coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin, WE rather say, it is as a RESULT of our sin that we have been given the Free Gift of Righteousness. For WE teach that when WE sinned in ignorance, we were placing Yeshua upon the Cross and PIERCING Him through WITH those sins, thus making Him a sacrifice FOR our sins. Those who KILL their sacrifice are the ones who are fulfilling what the Law requires for their sin, but ONCE a believer comes to the knowledge of the Truth concerning their placing Yeshua where He "ought not" have been made to stand (upon the Cross), THEN, if they FALL BACK into DELIBERATE sin (not in ignorance of KNOWING what their sin did to Him), they SHAME Him by putting Him back upon the Cross, where He "ought not" be made to stand.
You teach that believers fulfill the righteousness of the Law. How do they do that? By physically keeping the commandments of the Law, or by Spiritually keeping the commandments of the Law? Physically, the Law commands all sinners (who sinned in ignorance) to KILL their sacrifice, and when they did/do that, they fulfilled righteousness (a command) of the Law. But Spiritually, how is the command or the righteousness of the Law concerning sacrificed fulfilled BY you? Or is someone else doing that for you "in your stead," and YOU are not actually fulfilling the righteousness of the Law as you teach you do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 14, 2023 11:24:49 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew, so as such, he would not accept Yeshua as the Messiah. But, I feel he is sort of like the Apostle Paul, as Paul was well advanced over his contemporaries, and had access to all the writings/teachings available in his day. Nehemia Gordon is like that in our time with access to great libraries that most do not have access too. But also like Paul, he needs a "conversion" to where he can put to use all that access. Hopefully, some day he will. Concerning "grace coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin," you are like those who would twist and distort the Apostle Paul. The way you have "worded" what you say we teach, makes it appear that we say, "Let us do evil (sin), so that good (righteousness) may come." We say exactly the same thing that the Apostle Paul said, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Elohim; being justified FREELY by His Grace..." Yes, as a RESULT of ALL having sinned, there is a justification (being made righteous), by His Free Gift (Grace) to us. So when you say grace is coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin, WE rather say, it is as a RESULT of our sin that we have been given the Free Gift of Righteousness. For WE teach that when WE sinned in ignorance, we were placing Yeshua upon the Cross and PIERCING Him through WITH those sins, thus making Him a sacrifice FOR our sins. Those who KILL their sacrifice are the ones who are fulfilling what the Law requires for their sin, but ONCE a believer comes to the knowledge of the Truth concerning their placing Yeshua where He "ought not" have been made to stand (upon the Cross), THEN, if they FALL BACK into DELIBERATE sin (not in ignorance of KNOWING what their sin did to Him), they SHAME Him by putting Him back upon the Cross, where He "ought not" be made to stand. You teach that believers fulfill the righteousness of the Law. How do they do that? By physically keeping the commandments of the Law, or by Spiritually keeping the commandments of the Law? Physically, the Law commands all sinners (who sinned in ignorance) to KILL their sacrifice, and when they did/do that, they fulfilled righteousness (a command) of the Law. But Spiritually, how is the command or the righteousness of the Law concerning sacrificed fulfilled BY you? Or is someone else doing that for you "in your stead," and YOU are not actually fulfilling the righteousness of the Law as you teach you do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yes I believe in fulfilling the spiritual intent of the commandments, but you and Spying say that "grace and righteousness originates from sin" those are your words not mine, and the apostle Paul is very clear that both "grace and righteousness comes from Yah Messiah and Elohim". You take one verse Romans 5:16 of Paul's and twist it into your own ideas, and then you ignore other of the very clear texts Romans 5:15, 17 of Paul, and there are more. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=5&v=16&t=KJV#16Also, when there is not ONE single verse in the New testament writings that say that we sacrificed Messiah then you ignore the none evidence.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 14, 2023 12:01:24 GMT -5
Also Ken, Paul paints a different picture than "we sacrificed Messiah" as ye think, and here are the important texts that contradicts such an idea or picture. And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us/OUR an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. Ephesians 5:2. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=offering+sacrifice&page=2&sstr=0&t=KJVHow much more shall the blood of Christ/Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God/Elohim, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God/Elohim? Hebrews 9:14For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he/Messiah appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Hebrews 9:26. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=9&t=KJV#26Paul gives the spiritual picture that Yah messiah gave himself as our offering sacrifice to Elohim, and not that we sacrificed or killed Yah Messiah as an offering to Elohim.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 15, 2023 7:44:51 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew, so as such, he would not accept Yeshua as the Messiah. But, I feel he is sort of like the Apostle Paul, as Paul was well advanced over his contemporaries, and had access to all the writings/teachings available in his day. Nehemia Gordon is like that in our time with access to great libraries that most do not have access too. But also like Paul, he needs a "conversion" to where he can put to use all that access. Hopefully, some day he will. Concerning "grace coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin," you are like those who would twist and distort the Apostle Paul. The way you have "worded" what you say we teach, makes it appear that we say, "Let us do evil (sin), so that good (righteousness) may come." We say exactly the same thing that the Apostle Paul said, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Elohim; being justified FREELY by His Grace..." Yes, as a RESULT of ALL having sinned, there is a justification (being made righteous), by His Free Gift (Grace) to us. So when you say grace is coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin, WE rather say, it is as a RESULT of our sin that we have been given the Free Gift of Righteousness. For WE teach that when WE sinned in ignorance, we were placing Yeshua upon the Cross and PIERCING Him through WITH those sins, thus making Him a sacrifice FOR our sins. Those who KILL their sacrifice are the ones who are fulfilling what the Law requires for their sin, but ONCE a believer comes to the knowledge of the Truth concerning their placing Yeshua where He "ought not" have been made to stand (upon the Cross), THEN, if they FALL BACK into DELIBERATE sin (not in ignorance of KNOWING what their sin did to Him), they SHAME Him by putting Him back upon the Cross, where He "ought not" be made to stand. You teach that believers fulfill the righteousness of the Law. How do they do that? By physically keeping the commandments of the Law, or by Spiritually keeping the commandments of the Law? Physically, the Law commands all sinners (who sinned in ignorance) to KILL their sacrifice, and when they did/do that, they fulfilled righteousness (a command) of the Law. But Spiritually, how is the command or the righteousness of the Law concerning sacrificed fulfilled BY you? Or is someone else doing that for you "in your stead," and YOU are not actually fulfilling the righteousness of the Law as you teach you do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yes I believe in fulfilling the spiritual intent of the commandments, but you and Spying say that "grace and righteousness originates from sin" those are your words not mine, and the apostle Paul is very clear that both "grace and righteousness comes from Yah Messiah and Elohim". You take one verse Romans 5:16 of Paul's and twist it into your own ideas, and then you ignore other of the very clear texts Romans 5:15, 17 of Paul, and there are more. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=5&v=16&t=KJV#16Also, when there is not ONE single verse in the New testament writings that say that we sacrificed Messiah then you ignore the none evidence. Shalom Eliyahu, do you REALLY believe in fulfilling the spiritual intent of the commandments? How about the command for YOU as a sinner to sacrifice? Lev 4:27 - 4:29 (27) And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth [somewhat against] any of the commandments of Yehovah [concerning things] which ought not to be done, and be guilty; (28) Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. (29) And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. Did not Peter tell those who placed Yeshua where He "ought not" had been made to "stand," that they ACTED in "ignorance," and what they did, they did with the help of "wicked men?" Now, SPIRITUALLY, when the Knowledge of what a sinner did to Yeshua comes to THEM, is it Yeshua that has to bring His offering, and lay His hands upon Himself, and SLAY Himself? How would that fulfill the spiritual intent of this command? Look, I have pointed out what Paul says about the "sin offering" to you before, but it might be appropriate to bring it in again: ( 2Cor 5:21) For He hath made Him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ( Rom 8:3-4) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, Elohim sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. In BOTH of these verses, Paul explains that Yeshua was sent/made to be a "sin offering" for US, not for Himself. In BOTH verses, the one, "sin for us," and the other "for sin," we are told that WORD means "sin offering," and that the translators were in error: Adam Clarke John Gill Did you notice Gill mentioned Heb 10:6? Look at it, and it is FROM Psa 40:6: ( Heb 10:6) In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure. ( Psa 40:6) Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Do you see how the translators ADDED [sacrifices] before "for sin" in the Hebrews 10 account, why didn't they do that for 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Romans 8:3? And all that Hebrews 10:6-7 is quoting from is Psa 40:6-7. This is the same word used in 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Romans 8:3 and they CORRECTLY showed that in context, it means a SACRIFICE for sin, or a SIN OFFERING. Paul was SHOWING that Messiah was sent or made to be a SACRIFICE "for sin," or a SIN OFFERING for US. To be OUR sacrifice, NOT His own because He was without sin, and did not need to sacrifice. And THEN in BOTH of these accounts, Paul mentions the PURPOSE of Yeshua being sent or made to be OUR Sin Offering, it is for US to FULFILL righteousness "Spiritually" (Keeping the command in the Law that REQUIRES US to SLAY our Sin Offering). So WHY is it that you keep "kicking against the pricks," (Keep resisting the Truth from Messiah)? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 15, 2023 13:00:57 GMT -5
Ken, you can use all of the Christian's libraries ye want to spin it into your own ideas about the law, but Yah Messiah was Chosen,sent and made BOTH a sin offering and the High Priest for us from Elohim as a GIFT, because it was the only way to ransom us back from sin and death, and it's not any kind of works that we've done or can do. And if anyone is kicking against the pricks of scriptures it's you, because Paul's writings are very clear as I've shown you above, and Paul nor Peter wrote nothing about us sacrificing Yahushua Messiah at all as ye think. All of the scriptures put together tells us that Yah Messiah GAVE HIMSELF, OFFERED HIMSELF to Elohim as our offering sacrifice as a gift, but then you spin the scriptures to mean that Messiah killed Himself, and this tells me that YE do not respect Yah Messiah, and His own words in John 10:17-18. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=10&t=KJV#11And your not going to change my mind against all of the written scriptures on this subject, because the Apostles have already written the spiritual intent of the scriptures 2 Corinthians 3:3. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=the+spirit+of+the+living+God&t=KJV
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 15, 2023 19:59:24 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, the Apostle Paul REASONED with the Jews about what the Law of Moses demanded from them. He told them that it was not the hearers of the law, but rather the DOERS of the Law who were declared righteous. I can assure you that he did not try to convince them that G-d was sacrificing himself to be doing the Law "in their stead," so as to give them righteousness that was NOT according to the Spiritual Fulfillment of the Law. You have a lot to learn my dear opponent. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Oct 16, 2023 10:16:49 GMT -5
ImaHebrew: It is you who need to heed the scriptures and stop twisting them for your own ends and then you try to cram your ideas down everyone's throat; your own ideas are not scripture, and you need to stop fooling yourself that it is, you disrespect Christ's words by substituting your own words in instead of His.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 16, 2023 16:31:05 GMT -5
ImaHebrew: It is you who need to heed the scriptures and stop twisting them for your own ends and then you try to cram your ideas down everyone's throat; your own ideas are not scripture, and you need to stop fooling yourself that it is, you disrespect Christ's words by substituting your own words in instead of His. Shalom Ron, my desire is to always heed the Scriptures, and my hope is that the Spirit of Messiah is correctly guiding me to understand them. I would like to ask your opinion on something. When the Apostles FIRST started converting Jews, what do you think their main message to them was? Do you think they were telling them that Yeshua sacrificed Himself to "put away their sin," and "to pay a ransom" for their sin? Just what do you think their message was to get those Jews to convert? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 16, 2023 16:48:26 GMT -5
Ken,I spoke this above about you arguing your same pet doctrines over and over again, and sure enough your now on the prophecy thread of this forum doing the same thing repeat, repeat. Take your slandering ideas about Messiah somewhere else.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Oct 16, 2023 17:18:06 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, I'm shaking the dust off my shoes. ImAHebrew
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