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Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, yes, it has been prophesied there will be wars and rumors of wars, but the "end" is yet to come (Matt 24:6, Mark 13:7)! More or less meaning we should not be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" will be as in the days of Noah AND Lot, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage having a grand old time, and THEN sudden destruction will come upon them (Luke 17:26-30)! Yes, I do understand that there will be wars and rumors of wars, and not to be CONCERNED or TROUBLED, because the "end" is yet to come, thank you.

But maybe YOU are thinking about "The Abomination that causes Desolation," yes, that OCCURED about 2000 years ago with Yeshua being completely surrounded, to be PLACED or LIFTED UP upon the Cross (A place where He OUGHT NOT have been made to STAND-Mark 13:14, in THIS Present Age/Time-Holy Place/FIRST Tabernacle-Matt 24:15, Hebrews 9:8-9).  So, WHEN you "see" this Abomination, IF your heart is DWELLING in Judaea (the Praise of Yehovah), THEN you MUST flee to the MOUNTAINS of Righteousness (Psa 36:6, Psa 72:3)!  Has YOUR flight occurred YET Eliyahu?  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Shalom Eliyahu, when people were on the verge of WWI or WWII, should they have been "concerned or troubled," as you seem to be with WWIII? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Ken, where did I say that I was worried? I didn't, and Ron is right about you putting words in others mouths.

As to WHY I warn others read Ezekiel 33. Also, the US and it's people in WW 1 and 2 didn't have to worry about having it's Cities hit by intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear war heads either, because we are surrounded by the seas, but that won't be the case in the next world war, and the American people has never had to face such things on a grand scale.

You need to stop practicing apathy and complacency to evil, while you go around telling others your pet doctrines about the scriptures and how they should believe as you do, all the while murder and theft is rampant in our Country, and so called religious people like you don't want to speak out against it.

Douglas Macgregor: "THIS IS IT! What's Coming Is WORSE Than A WW3..." www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQ3F7RPVB8

Shalom Eliyahu, no matter how worried you are about nuclear war heads, when Messiah returns, everything will be "honky dory."  There will be just regular life going on, UNTIL sudden destruction (much worse than nuclear war heads) hits this world.  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Hey Ken, do ye care to give an answer here, even I would like to know too?

Ken, Spying didn't say that he banned me for bickering with Lucy, he said that he banned me because of not believing and agreeing with the gospel of Paul, but the truth is that I didn't believe nor agree with yours and Spying's own gospel ABOUT Paul's gospel.Also, you can come and go here as ye please, Spying or anyone else can post here if they please.

However, I think that Ron is asking you as to what reasons do you and Spying have for not wanting to open up Lo-Ammi forum for guests or anyone to post there as they can here.

Ken, Spying said a time or two that Lo-Ammi was his forum and not mine, however, I had NEVER EVER said that Lo-Ammii forum was mine, and I think that someone else was private messaging Spying at the time goading him about it, and I think that it was Edmund Dante doing it and influencing Spying to get rid of my threads and to get rid of both Lucy and myself.

Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, Spying is going to check to see if LoAmmi can use a "post" as "Guest" feature. He's not sure. In the meantime, as for you forgiving us, IF you are completely wrong about Grace and the One True Gospel, then it will be Spying and myself that will be forgiving you. Do you understand that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Ken, does Nehemiah Gordon accept your ideas about grace coming from sin, and righteousness comes from sin?

Ken, yes I believe in fulfilling the spiritual intent of the commandments, but you and Spying say that "grace and righteousness originates from sin" those are your words not mine, and the apostle Paul is very clear that both "grace and righteousness comes from Yah Messiah and Elohim".

You take one verse Romans 5:16 of Paul's and twist it into your own ideas, and then you ignore other of the very clear texts Romans 5:15, 17 of Paul, and there are more. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=5&v=16&t=KJV#16

Also, when there is not ONE single verse in the New testament writings that say that we sacrificed Messiah then you ignore the none evidence.

Shalom Eliyahu, do you REALLY believe in fulfilling the spiritual intent of the commandments?  How about the command for YOU as a sinner to sacrifice?

Lev 4:27 - 4:29



  (27) And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth [somewhat against] any of the commandments of Yehovah [concerning things] which ought not to be done, and be guilty;

  (28) Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

  (29) And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.


Did not Peter tell those who placed Yeshua where He "ought not" had been made to "stand," that they ACTED in "ignorance," and what they did, they did with the help of "wicked men?"  Now, SPIRITUALLY, when the Knowledge of what a sinner did to Yeshua comes to THEM, is it Yeshua that has to bring His offering, and lay His hands upon Himself, and SLAY Himself?  How would that fulfill the spiritual intent of this command?

Look, I have pointed out what Paul says about the "sin offering" to you before, but it might be appropriate to bring it in again:

(2Cor 5:21) For He hath made Him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


(Rom 8:3-4) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, Elohim sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


In BOTH of these verses, Paul explains that Yeshua was sent/made to be a "sin offering" for US, not for Himself.  In BOTH verses, the one, "sin for us," and the other "for sin," we are told that WORD means "sin offering," and that the translators were in error:

Adam Clarke
John Gill
Did you notice Gill mentioned Heb 10:6?  Look at it, and it is FROM Psa 40:6:

(Heb 10:6) In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
(Psa 40:6) Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.


Do you see how the translators ADDED [sacrifices] before "for sin" in the Hebrews 10 account, why didn't they do that for 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Romans 8:3?  And all that Hebrews 10:6-7 is quoting from is Psa 40:6-7.  This is the same word used in 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Romans 8:3 and they CORRECTLY showed that in context, it means a SACRIFICE for sin, or a SIN OFFERING.  Paul was SHOWING that Messiah was sent or made to be a SACRIFICE "for sin," or a SIN OFFERING for US.  To be OUR sacrifice, NOT His own because He was without sin, and did not need to sacrifice.  And THEN in BOTH of these accounts, Paul mentions the PURPOSE of Yeshua being sent or made to be OUR Sin Offering, it is for US to FULFILL righteousness "Spiritually" (Keeping the command in the Law that REQUIRES US to SLAY our Sin Offering).  So WHY is it that you keep "kicking against the pricks," (Keep resisting the Truth from Messiah)?  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. 

Shalom Eliyahu, the Apostle Paul REASONED with the Jews about what the Law of Moses demanded from them.  He told them that it was not the hearers of the law, but rather the DOERS of the Law who were declared righteous.  I can assure you that he did not try to convince them that G-d was sacrificing himself to be doing the Law "in their stead," so as to give them righteousness that was NOT according to the Spiritual Fulfillment of the Law.  You have a lot to learn my dear opponent.  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Shalom Ron, my desire is to always heed the Scriptures, and my hope is that the Spirit of Messiah is correctly guiding me to understand them.  I would like to ask your opinion on something.  When the Apostles FIRST started converting Jews, what do you think their main message to them was?  Do you think they were telling them that Yeshua sacrificed Himself to "put away their sin," and "to pay a ransom" for their sin?  Just what do you think their message was to get those Jews to convert?  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.