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Post by Ron on Mar 4, 2023 9:46:57 GMT -5
Ken: I've asked you this question before: Where in any of these texts is the word 'Sabbath'? If it is not then again it's your assumption;and James H. Strong was not influenced by Jewish scribes, also, you were allowing Jewish scribes of the Talmud to interpret scriptures for you earlier in this thread, and now when it's convenient for you, then you play a switcharu game.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 9:54:03 GMT -5
Ken, I haven't turned a blind eye to anything that ye have written and I have already dealt with your post earlier in this thread, because I knew that ye would try to argue this again in Joshua 5, and Ron is correct about the Strong's on this. עָבוּר ʻâbûwr, aw-boor'; the same as H5668; passed, i.e. kept over; used only of stored grain:—old corn. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5669&t=KJV
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 10:05:24 GMT -5
Ken, again ye need to give an online address where ye got this quote
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 10:23:10 GMT -5
Ken, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow/the 16th day after the sabbath/the 15th day the priest shall wave it. Leviticus 23:10-11. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Ken, ye left out verse 11 above, gee I wonder why? The wave sheaf is on the 16th day of the first lunar month, and it doesn't say "the Sabbath that falls during the days of unleavened bread" either.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 4, 2023 10:42:46 GMT -5
Ken: I've asked you this question before: Where in any of these texts is the word 'Sabbath'? If it is not then again it's your assumption;and James H. Strong was not influenced by Jewish scribes, also, you were allowing Jewish scribes of the Talmud to interpret scriptures for you earlier in this thread, and now when it's convenient for you, then you play a switcharu game. Shabbat Shalom Ron, I'm not quite sure you understand what took place. When the KJV translators started translating the Bible into English, they went to Jewish rabbis to learn the Hebrew language. When it came to Joshua 5:11, the rabbis told the Christian translators to add the word “old” to the verse. More precisely, they told them that the word “grain,” in Hebrew avur, actually means “old grain.” The problem with calling it "old" grain/corn is that the phrase "parched grain/corn" refers to nearly RIPE grain/corn that is still slightly moist. This "parched grain/corn" would be reaped/harvested when it still had moisture in it, and then parched it in fire to make it crunchy and delicious. Parched grain could only come from a "freshly " harvested crop, not from OLD grain. Concerning any texts where the word "Sabbath" is found, you have Lev 23:11 telling us that the WAVING of the Sheaf is on the MORROW after the Sabbath: ( Lev 23:11) And he shall wave the sheaf before Yehovah, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. As previously stated, NO eating of the produce of the Land UNTIL the Wave Sheaf was offered ON the MORROW after the Sabbath. And we have in Joshua 5 the Israelites EATING from the produce of the Land ON the MORROW after Passover. Now, what is the MORROW after Passover: ( Num 33:3) And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians. The MORROW after Passover IS the 15th day of the 1st month. They ate on the MORROW after the Sabbath/Passover, which was the 15th day of the 1st month. Case closed! Concerning my using the Mishnah to help in understanding that the lunar Sabbath is false, I ONLY use it to SHOW the historical keeping of a Sabbath based upon a 7 day cycle and not a monthly lunar cycle, and that in turns helps in understanding the Scriptures properly. You should try doing this yourself. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 4, 2023 10:43:17 GMT -5
Ken: There is also nothing said in these texts about the wavesheaf taking place; so on your part your speculating and assuming.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 4, 2023 10:48:47 GMT -5
Ken, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow/the 16th day after the sabbath/the 15th day the priest shall wave it. Leviticus 23:10-11. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Ken, ye left out verse 11 above, gee I wonder why? The wave sheaf is on the 16th day of the first lunar month, and it doesn't say "the Sabbath that falls during the days of unleavened bread" either. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, were in the world are you getting YOUR translation: What translation is this that you have THIS Sabbath as the High Day Sabbath and NOT the WEEKLY Sabbath? Joshua 5 PROVES this MORROW after the Sabbath IS the WEEKLY Sabbath and cannot be the High Day Sabbath, that is IF you honestly read what is written. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 4, 2023 10:51:36 GMT -5
Ken: There is also nothing said in these texts about the wavesheaf taking place; so on your part your speculating and assuming. Shabbat Shalom Ron, no, I'm not. The Children of Israel ATE of the produce of the Land which was PROHIBITED to eat UNTIL the Wave Sheaf offering took place ON the MORROW after the Sabbath. No speculation or assumption, just plain, honest, truthful FACTS. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 4, 2023 10:57:01 GMT -5
Ken: Joshua 5:11 the days in question. And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow(The 15th day) after the passover(The 14th day), unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. These texts tell us they kept the 14th day Passover, and they kept the 15th day Sabbath of unleavened bread, and nothing is written here about the wavesheaf offering, and was James H. Strong's also influenced by Jewish scribes too? The the old corn Strong's עָבוּר ʻâbûwr, aw-boor'; the same as H5668; passed, i.e. kept over; used only of stored grain:—old corn. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5669&t=KJV
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 11:06:47 GMT -5
Ken, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow/the 16th day after the sabbath/the 15th day the priest shall wave it. Leviticus 23:10-11. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Ken, ye left out verse 11 above, gee I wonder why? The wave sheaf is on the 16th day of the first lunar month, and it doesn't say "the Sabbath that falls during the days of unleavened bread" either. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, were in the world are you getting YOUR translation: What translation is this that you have THIS Sabbath as the High Day Sabbath and NOT the WEEKLY Sabbath? Joshua 5 PROVES this MORROW after the Sabbath IS the WEEKLY Sabbath and cannot be the High Day Sabbath, that is IF you honestly read what is written. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I gave ye the address below the text, and I'm getting it from the scriptures ALONE because in the N.T. of John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 this 15th day is BOTH the first day of U.B. and the weekly Sabbath, and it's the same in every year, because once the NEW MOON DAY is sighted and determined in the first lunar month then all of the "days" forward are fixed in the lunar month.
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Post by Ron on Mar 4, 2023 11:16:11 GMT -5
Ken: There is also nothing said in these texts about the wavesheaf taking place; so on your part your speculating and assuming. Shabbat Shalom Ron, no, I'm not. The Children of Israel ATE of the produce of the Land which was PROHIBITED to eat UNTIL the Wave Sheaf offering took place ON the MORROW after the Sabbath. No speculation or assumption, just plain, honest, truthful FACTS. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ken: Joshua 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn H5669 of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year Evidently it wasn't prohibited because it wasn't their own sown and harvested crops in the promised land; and the texts tell us they did eat the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 11:30:40 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Ron, no, I'm not. The Children of Israel ATE of the produce of the Land which was PROHIBITED to eat UNTIL the Wave Sheaf offering took place ON the MORROW after the Sabbath. No speculation or assumption, just plain, honest, truthful FACTS. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ken: Joshua 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn H5669 of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year Evidently it wasn't prohibited because it wasn't their own sown and harvested crops in the promised land; and the texts tell us they did eat the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. Ron, yes, this is similar the same as I told Ken once before when he tried to argue this, he's desperate to try and force a Sabbath to fall on the 14th day Passover which is impossible on Yah's true scriptural calendar, as he's using 2 different calendars. Ken is using Rome's Constantine of 321 AD week to determine his Satyrday Sabbath, and then he's using Yah's lunar-Solar calendar to determine the yearly feasts.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 4, 2023 11:48:45 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, were in the world are you getting YOUR translation: What translation is this that you have THIS Sabbath as the High Day Sabbath and NOT the WEEKLY Sabbath? Joshua 5 PROVES this MORROW after the Sabbath IS the WEEKLY Sabbath and cannot be the High Day Sabbath, that is IF you honestly read what is written. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I gave ye the address below the text, and I'm getting it from the scriptures ALONE because in the N.T. of John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 this 15th day is BOTH the first day of U.B. and the weekly Sabbath, and it's the same in every year, because once the NEW MOON DAY is sighted and determined in the first lunar month then all of the "days" forward are fixed in the lunar month. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you KNOW what I was asking you, why be evasive? The LINK you gave does NOT have what YOU wrote for Lev 23:11. Here is what that link has: " on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." And YOUR private translation has: " on the morrow/the 16th day after the sabbath/the 15th day the priest shall wave it" Now, let's be honest. YOUR translation is based upon "circular" reasoning that the lunar sabbath is true, but IF it is false, then John 19:31 is speaking ONLY of a High Day Sabbath, and NOT the WEEKLY Sabbath, and Luke 23:54-56 IS speaking about the WEEKLY Sabbath the women rested on AFTER they RETURNED to where they had come from, and then bought and prepared burial ointments, AFTER the High Day Sabbath (Mark 16:1). That High Day Sabbath was on Thursday, and the buying and preparing the burial ointments was on FRIDAY. Simple as pie when you KNOW the Truth. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 12:18:01 GMT -5
Ken, I gave ye the address below the text, and I'm getting it from the scriptures ALONE because in the N.T. of John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 this 15th day is BOTH the first day of U.B. and the weekly Sabbath, and it's the same in every year, because once the NEW MOON DAY is sighted and determined in the first lunar month then all of the "days" forward are fixed in the lunar month. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you KNOW what I was asking you, why be evasive? The LINK you gave does NOT have what YOU wrote for Lev 23:11. Here is what that link has: " on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." And YOUR private translation has: " on the morrow/the 16th day after the sabbath/the 15th day the priest shall wave it" Now, let's be honest. YOUR translation is based upon "circular" reasoning that the lunar sabbath is true, but IF it is false, then John 19:31 is speaking ONLY of a High Day Sabbath, and NOT the WEEKLY Sabbath, and Luke 23:54-56 IS speaking about the WEEKLY Sabbath the women rested on AFTER they RETURNED to where they had come from, and then bought and prepared burial ointments, AFTER the High Day Sabbath (Mark 16:1). That High Day Sabbath was on Thursday, and the buying and preparing the burial ointments was on FRIDAY. Simple as pie when you KNOW the Truth. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I only added in the correct days of the first month, the 15th and the 16th, the same as ye did in Joshua 5:11, and let's be honest, ye have solar continuous cycling reasoning-LOL.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 12:20:25 GMT -5
Ken, PS. there is not a single word such as "thursday" or "friesday" in either of the Gospel writers.
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Post by Ron on Mar 4, 2023 12:26:07 GMT -5
ImAhebrew: In Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, there is no mention of 2 separate Sabbaths; in each writer it is the sequence of the 14th day Preparation, the 15th day Sabbath, and the 16th day is first day of the week.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 4, 2023 12:39:50 GMT -5
Ken, where in the scriptures is there a mention of 3 Sabbaths falling during the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 5, 2023 13:44:18 GMT -5
Ken, where in the scriptures is there a mention of 3 Sabbaths falling during the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles? Shalom Eliyahu, here you go: The man born blind from birth that was healed on the Sabbath PROVES there was a WEEKLY Sabbath that fell BETWEEN the two High Day Sabbaths of the Feast of Tabernacles. Please follow what happened. Yeshua stands and cries out on the LAST day, that GREAT ( Megas) Day of the Feast of Tabernacles: ( Jn 7:37) In the last day, that great [day] (G3173-Megas) of the feast, Yeshua stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink. Now, don't YOU and all lunar Sabbatarians TEACH that John 19:31, where John says, " for that Sabbath day was an High (G3173-Megas) day," to mean BOTH the WEEKLY 7th day Sabbath AND the 1st day of ULB Sabbath (the 15th)? So then, is this " Megas" day NOT also in YOUR teachings of the lunar Sabbath calendar, BOTH the WEEKLY 7th Day Sabbath AND the 8th Great Day Sabbath of Tabernacles, on the 22nd day of the month? Let's proceed then. The last verse of chapter 7 shows that the Feast of Tabernacles is OVER, and people are returning to their homes: ( Jn 7:53) And every man went unto his own house. Then we have chapter 8 continuing where it states in the NEXT verse (after that every man WENT unto his own home in the last verse of chapter 7), that Yeshua WENT to the Mount of Olives and then EARLY in the morning He came AGAIN into the Temple (this would have been at least on the 23rd day of the month, or if it took Him a day to go to the Mount of Olives, it might have been on the 24th day of the month): ( Jn 8:1) Yeshua went unto the mount of Olives. ( Jn 8:2) And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down, and taught them. So we have Yeshua coming AGAIN into the Temple, and by all indications it was just a day or two AFTER He was in the Temple on the Last Great Day of the Feast (22nd day of the month), and the WHOLE of chapter 8 tells us what happened THAT day He was in the Temple, and THEN in the last verse of chapter 8 we find Him LEAVING the Temple, going out through the MIDST of them, and so passing by: ( Jn 8:59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Yeshua hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. Now we get to the critical passages. The NEXT verse (9:1) it continues with Yeshua AS He PASSED by, He saw a man born blind from birth: ( Jn 9:1) And as [Yeshua] passed by, He saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. This was AS He was leaving the Temple, as He was passing by everyone that He saw a man born blind from birth, and what did He do? He healed this man born blind from birth. And WHAT day was it that He healed this man born blind from birth? It as the Sabbath Day. ( Jn 9:14) And it was the sabbath day when Yeshua made the clay, and opened his eyes. So, THIS Sabbath Day was a day or two PAST the Last, Great (Megas) Day of the Feast of Tabernacles, which means the WEEKLY 7th Day Sabbath for the PREVIOUS week fell BETWEEN the TWO High Day Sabbaths (15th & 22nd) of Tabernacles. Hope this helps you to see your ERROR about lunar sabbaths Eliyahu. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 16:48:45 GMT -5
Ken, your wrong above, and here's why. The feast of Tabernacles is also a "seven day" feast. Leviticus 23:34-36; Numbers 29:12-35 tells us that the feast of Tabernacles begins on the 15th day of the seventh month and is a seven day feast. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topwww.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topHere below are the "days" for ye to count with their texts that corresponds to the days. 15th day=Sabbath=Holy Convocation=1st day=Leviticus 23:35; Numbers 29:1216th day=2nd day of feast=Numbers 29:1717th day=3rd day of feast=Numbers 29:2018th day=4th day of feast=Numbers 29:2319th day=5th day of feast=Numbers 29:2620th day=6th day of feast=Numbers 29:2921st day=7th day and last day of feast=Numbers 29:32; John 7:3722nd day=Sabbath day=8th day=Holy Convocation Numbers 29:35=John 8:2=John 9:14,16The following day=22nd day, after the 21st day Yah Messiah went to the Temple because it was a Sabbath day John 8:2, and John 9:14 reveals the 22nd as the Sabbath day, and the same as Numbers 29:12-35. There is no Sabbath that falls between the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles.
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Post by Ron on Mar 5, 2023 16:56:00 GMT -5
Eliyahu that above is amazing; absolutely amazing!
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Post by Ron on Mar 5, 2023 17:12:12 GMT -5
2 Chronicles 7:8-10 is the same as above too. ImAHebrew can you tell us why do these 15th and 22nd days stay the same in every year and never change when you find them in the Bible?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 17:25:57 GMT -5
2 Chronicles 7:8-10 is the same as above too. ImAHebrew can you tell us why do these 15th and 22nd days stay the same in every year and never change when you find them in the Bible? Ron, yes, it's the same in every year, and it was because of a third or 3 Sabbath "satyrday as the Sabbath" that will fall between the 15th and the 22nd day that caused me to study out the scriptural calendar in late 1979-82. I noticed 3 Sabbaths falling during the feast of Tabernacles. Numbers 29:12-35 shows us that there are ONLY 2 Sabbaths one on the 15th day and another on the 22nd day, but Ken will try to manipulate the texts to FORCE a Sabbath between these days, mark my word on that.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 5, 2023 17:29:51 GMT -5
Ken, your wrong above, and here's why. The feast of Tabernacles is also a "seven day" feast. Leviticus 23:34-36; Numbers 29:12-35 tells us that the feast of Tabernacles begins on the 15th day of the seventh month and is a seven day feast. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topwww.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topHere below are the "days" for ye to count with their texts that corresponds to the days. 15th day=Sabbath=Holy Convocation=1st day=Leviticus 23:35; Numbers 29:1216th day=2nd day of feast=Numbers 29:1717th day=3rd day of feast=Numbers 29:2018th day=4th day of feast=Numbers 29:2319th day=5th day of feast=Numbers 29:2620th day=6th day of feast=Numbers 29:2921st day=7th day and last day of feast=Numbers 29:32; John 7:3722nd day=Sabbath day=8th day=Holy Convocation Numbers 29:35=John 8:2=John 9:14,16The following day=22nd day, after the 21st day Yah Messiah went to the Temple because it was a Sabbath day John 8:2, and John 9:14 reveals the 22nd as the Sabbath day, and the same as Numbers 29:12-35. There is no Sabbath that falls between the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles. Shalom Eliyahu, well, so you are saying the last 7th day of the feast of Tabernacles is the GREAT (Megas) day? Don't you remember John wrote that word "Megas" in BOTH John 7 and John 19, and YOU interpret John 19 to mean a Megas day of the Feast (both a weekly Sabbath [7th day] and the Feast day Sabbath [15th day]). So are you saying the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Megas Day? Look Eliyahu, you are so exposed here as being totally in error, why don't you admit it? Answer it - How is the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles a "Megas" day? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 17:42:59 GMT -5
Ken, your wrong above, and here's why. The feast of Tabernacles is also a "seven day" feast. Leviticus 23:34-36; Numbers 29:12-35 tells us that the feast of Tabernacles begins on the 15th day of the seventh month and is a seven day feast. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topwww.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topHere below are the "days" for ye to count with their texts that corresponds to the days. 15th day=Sabbath=Holy Convocation=1st day=Leviticus 23:35; Numbers 29:1216th day=2nd day of feast=Numbers 29:1717th day=3rd day of feast=Numbers 29:2018th day=4th day of feast=Numbers 29:2319th day=5th day of feast=Numbers 29:2620th day=6th day of feast=Numbers 29:2921st day=7th day and last day of feast=Numbers 29:32; John 7:3722nd day=Sabbath day=8th day=Holy Convocation Numbers 29:35=John 8:2=John 9:14,16The following day=22nd day, after the 21st day Yah Messiah went to the Temple because it was a Sabbath day John 8:2, and John 9:14 reveals the 22nd as the Sabbath day, and the same as Numbers 29:12-35. There is no Sabbath that falls between the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles. Shalom Eliyahu, well, so you are saying the last 7th day of the feast of Tabernacles is the GREAT (Megas) day? Don't you remember John wrote that word "Megas" in BOTH John 7 and John 19, and YOU interpret John 19 to mean a Megas day of the Feast (both a weekly Sabbath [7th day] and the Feast day Sabbath [15th day]). So are you saying the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Megas Day? Look Eliyahu, you are so exposed here as being totally in error, why don't you admit it? Answer it - How is the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles a "Megas" day? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I'm not exposed about anything here, the word "Megas" or "Great" is used all over the new testament, and the truth is that it's you and all of the WWCOGs and others that THINK "the last great day is the 22nd" of the seventh month, but the truth is, that the "21st day is the last and seventh day of the feast of Tabernacles" and not the 22nd day. Now please show us where a "3rd Sabbath" is mentioned in Numbers 29:12-35?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 5, 2023 17:45:20 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, just in case you have forgotten, here are several quotes from you that you claim John meant that the "Megas" day of John 19:31 was BOTH the Sabbath for the Feast (15th) and the 7th day weekly Sabbath. It was because John call THAT day a High Day (G3173 - Megas Day), that you argued it was both the 7th day weekly Sabbath AND the Feast Sabbath of the 15th. So Eliyahu, if you believe John called that weekly and Feast Sabbath a "high day," what was that 7th day of Tabernacles "high day?" Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 5, 2023 17:57:07 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, well, so you are saying the last 7th day of the feast of Tabernacles is the GREAT (Megas) day? Don't you remember John wrote that word "Megas" in BOTH John 7 and John 19, and YOU interpret John 19 to mean a Megas day of the Feast (both a weekly Sabbath [7th day] and the Feast day Sabbath [15th day]). So are you saying the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Megas Day? Look Eliyahu, you are so exposed here as being totally in error, why don't you admit it? Answer it - How is the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles a "Megas" day? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I'm not exposed about anything here, the word "Megas" or "Great" is used all over the new testament, and the truth is that it's you and all of the WWCOGs and others that THINK "the last great day is the 22nd" of the seventh month, but the truth is, that the "21st day is the last and seventh day of the feast of Tabernacles" and not the 22nd day. Now please show us where a "3rd Sabbath" is mentioned in Numbers 29:12-35? Shalom Eliyahu, no, you are very obviously wrong. In the Gospels, there are ONLY 2 days mentioned as "Megas" days, and they BOTH are in regards to FEAST DAYS, and they BOTH were spoken of by John. So NO, "Megas Day" is NOT used all over the New Testament as YOU would like us to believe. Sorry, but you need to correct your beliefs here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 18:04:12 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, just in case you have forgotten, here are several quotes from you that you claim John meant that the "Megas" day of John 19:31 was BOTH the Sabbath for the Feast (15th) and the 7th day weekly Sabbath. It was because John call THAT day a High Day (G3173 - Megas Day), that you argued it was both the 7th day weekly Sabbath AND the Feast Sabbath of the 15th. So Eliyahu, if you believe John called that weekly and Feast Sabbath a "high day," what was that 7th day of Tabernacles "high day?" Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew That is what John called it, and merely because John called the last GREAT day of the feast of Tabernacles on the 21st day of the seventh lunar month and only a "GREAT DAY"on the 15th day of the first lunar month so what, it doesn't mean the 21st or 7th day of Tabernacles is a Sabbath, because the 22nd day is the Sabbath and Holy Convocation Numbers 29:12-35; 2 Chronicles 7:8-10.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 5, 2023 18:17:41 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, just in case you have forgotten, here are several quotes from you that you claim John meant that the "Megas" day of John 19:31 was BOTH the Sabbath for the Feast (15th) and the 7th day weekly Sabbath. It was because John call THAT day a High Day (G3173 - Megas Day), that you argued it was both the 7th day weekly Sabbath AND the Feast Sabbath of the 15th. So Eliyahu, if you believe John called that weekly and Feast Sabbath a "high day," what was that 7th day of Tabernacles "high day?" Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew That is what John called it, and merely because John called the last GREAT day of the feast of Tabernacles on the 21st day of the seventh lunar month and only a "GREAT DAY"on the 15th day of the first lunar month so what, it doesn't mean the 21st or 7th day of Tabernacles is a Sabbath, because the 22nd day is the Sabbath and Holy Convocation Numbers 29:12-35; 2 Chronicles 7:8-10. Shalom Eliyahu, you are so controlled by YOUR false beliefs in a lunar Sabbath that you can't even be remotely honest. You have ARGUED that when John called the day AFTER the Preparation day a Sabbath "for that Sabbath was a 'Megas' day," it means it was BOTH a 7th day weekly Sabbath and the Feast Sabbath (the 15th). The translators rendered the Greek word "G3173 - Megas" a "High Day" in John 19, and then rendered that exact same Greek word in John 7 that "Great" [day] of the Feast. You can't have it both ways, either the "Megas" day which followed the Preparation day was NOT a Sabbath day or Sabbath Feast day in John 7, or the "last day, THAT Great (Megas) day of the Feast, was a Sabbath day of the Feast of Tabernacles. It has to be both, it can't be either or. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 18:28:09 GMT -5
That is what John called it, and merely because John called the last GREAT day of the feast of Tabernacles on the 21st day of the seventh lunar month and only a "GREAT DAY"on the 15th day of the first lunar month so what, it doesn't mean the 21st or 7th day of Tabernacles is a Sabbath, because the 22nd day is the Sabbath and Holy Convocation Numbers 29:12-35; 2 Chronicles 7:8-10. Shalom Eliyahu, you are so controlled by YOUR false beliefs in a lunar Sabbath that you can't even be remotely honest. You have ARGUED that when John called the day AFTER the Preparation day a Sabbath "for that Sabbath was a 'Megas' day," it means it was BOTH a 7th day weekly Sabbath and the Feast Sabbath (the 15th). The translators rendered the Greek word "G3173 - Megas" a "High Day" in John 19, and then rendered that exact same Greek word in John 7 that "Great" [day] of the Feast. You can't have it both ways, either the "Megas" day which followed the Preparation day was NOT a Sabbath day or Sabbath Feast day in John 7, or the "last day, THAT Great (Megas) day of the Feast, was a Sabbath day of the Feast of Tabernacles. It has to be both, it can't be either or. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Well Ken, John calls the 15th day of the first lunar month the Sabbath-plain and simple, and in John 7:37 John doesn't call the 21st day or 7th day of the feast a Sabbath, but John does call the following day the 22nd John 8:1; John 9:14 a Sabbath day plain and simple. There is no Sabbath on the 21st day or 7th day of U.B. and there is no Sabbath on the 21st day or 7th day of Tabernacles either, because BOTH feasts begin on the 15th and end on the 21st days.
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Post by Ron on Mar 5, 2023 18:41:38 GMT -5
You should talk to yourself about this; your so jammed up with a Saturday as your Sabbath that your will to add in your own ideas into the death and resurrection of Christ.
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