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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 25, 2020 12:23:51 GMT -5
I want to say that I'm NOT dogmatic about Yah's Calendar that is used in the scriptures, I have friends that still believe that saturday is the Sabbath, I bare with those who have not come to the knowledge of this truth, so please keep this in mind when you read these posts, and if anyone can prove from the scriptures that I'm in error, then I'm willing to change and conform to the word of Yah Elohim.
YAH'S Calendar in the heavens, He ordained the " great lights" the sun and the moon and stars, and that He created in the beginning Genesis 1:1-5 for His perpetual calendar to meet with His people, as David said, and asked.. O YAH our Master, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest(visits) him? Psalms 8:1-4.
This scripture in the Torah, recorded down by Moses, is indeed a command of YAH ELOHIM, which states...And Elohim H430 said, H559 Let there be lights H3974 in the firmament H7549 of the heaven H8064 to divide H914 the day H3117 from the night; H3915 and let them(sun, moon, and stars) be for signs, H226 and for seasons, H4150(MOEDIM-APPOINTED TIMES) and for DAYS, H3117 and YEARS: H8141 Genesis 1:14.
David also recognized, and verified this scripture above recorded by Moses, and David said again...He (YAH) appointed the moon for seasons(MOEDIM=H4150=APPOINTED TIMES): the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19.
YAH ALL MIGHTY Himself states regarding HIS Appointed Times(not men, nor women, nor animal's).... Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel, H3478 and say H559 unto them, Concerning the feasts H4150(APPOINTED TIMES) of YAH, H3068 which ye shall proclaim H7121 to be holy H6944 convocations, H4744 even these are My(HIS-YAH'S) feasts. H4150(APPOINTED TIMES) Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YAH in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:1-3 .
YAH ELOHIM says twice His seventh day Sabbath is His first holy convocation and His first MOED-APPOINTED TIME(H4150).
Today, man uses a man made calendar, the Roman/Gregorian invented by Rome, and Constantine in 321 AD fostered off on the whole world; also, this calendar week is indeed a counterfeit to deceive the very ELECT of YAH Elohim, and those who use this man made calendar, must completely DENY these scriptures above, in order to keep a man made tradition, which is observing a false Saturday Sabbath, and that the scriptures nowhere even mentions at all! Thus, those who use this calendar, are indeed wandering after the BEAST in time keeping today!!!
Man does NOT want to recognize YAH'S Calendar days, because YAH HIMSELF commands every day on His Calendar in the scriptures!
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Aug 31, 2021 11:17:30 GMT -5
Ken, if ye read this, did ye ever go and talk to Troy Miller about Yah's true calendar used in the scriptures?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 5, 2021 11:02:48 GMT -5
And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons/Moedim/H4150/appointed times, and for days, and years:Genesis 1:14www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4150&t=KJVHe/Yah appointed the moon for seasons/H4150/Moedim/appointed times: the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=104&v=19&t=KJV#19And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times.
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:1-3 www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=2&t=KJV#2Clearly by these texts, the moon determines Yah's H4150 appointed times, and the moon also determines Yah's SIGN the seventh day Sabbath as His very FIRST Moedim H4150. How do we put this in visible calendar format?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 5, 2021 11:49:12 GMT -5
If there are any Saturday Sabbath observers out there, would ye please tell us how do ye determine a Saturday Sabbath in a lunar month, and what do ye use to determine it?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 5, 2021 13:54:03 GMT -5
And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons/Moedim/H4150/appointed times, and for days, and years:Genesis 1:14www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4150&t=KJVHe/Yah appointed the moon for seasons/H4150/Moedim/appointed times: the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=104&v=19&t=KJV#19And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times.
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:1-3 www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=2&t=KJV#2Clearly by these texts, the moon determines Yah's H4150 appointed times, and the moon also determines Yah's SIGN the seventh day Sabbath as His very FIRST Moedim H4150. How do we put this in visible calendar format? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And YHWH spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month(Abib) of the year to you.
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:......
And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. Exodus 12:1-6. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exo&c=12&t=KJV#2Thus saith the Master YHWH; The gate of the inner court that looks toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. Ezekiel 46:1,3. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=court+that+looketh+toward+the+east+shall+be+shut+the+six+working+days+but+on+the+sabbath+it+shall+be+opened+and+in+the+day+of+the+new+moon+it+shall+be+opened%2E&t=KJVThis one text mentions all 3 types of days in the scriptural calendar, New Moon=1st day of the month, the six working days, and the Sabbath days, and here are these "days" in calendar format with their corresponding colors below. New moon day=1st day of month 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=six work days 8th=seventh day Sabbath 9th 10th=Exodus 12:3 11th 12th 13th 14th=Passover Ex.12:6=six work daysAs you can see, the New Moon Day=1st determines the 10th day and the 14th day of the first month, then it also determines all of the other days including the seventh day Sabbath appointed time. Once the new moon day is determined, then this fixes the six working days and the seventh day Sabbaths in the lunar months, this also means that it's impossible for a seventh day Sabbath to fall on any of the six working days or vice versa, it's also impossible for a seventh day Sabbath to ever fall on a New Moon=1st day of the month or vice versa, and it's impossible for a New Moon 1st to ever fall on any of the six working days also.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 7, 2021 11:15:19 GMT -5
And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons/Moedim/H4150/appointed times, and for days, and years:Genesis 1:14www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4150&t=KJVHe/Yah appointed the moon for seasons/H4150/Moedim/appointed times: the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=104&v=19&t=KJV#19And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts/H4150/Moedim/appointed times.
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:1-3 www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=2&t=KJV#2Clearly by these texts, the moon determines Yah's H4150 appointed times, and the moon also determines Yah's SIGN the seventh day Sabbath as His very FIRST Moedim H4150. How do we put this in visible calendar format? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And YHWH spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month(Abib) of the year to you.
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:......
And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. Exodus 12:1-6. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exo&c=12&t=KJV#2Thus saith the Master YHWH; The gate of the inner court that looks toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. Ezekiel 46:1,3. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=court+that+looketh+toward+the+east+shall+be+shut+the+six+working+days+but+on+the+sabbath+it+shall+be+opened+and+in+the+day+of+the+new+moon+it+shall+be+opened%2E&t=KJVThis one text mentions all 3 types of days in the scriptural calendar, New Moon=1st day of the month, the six working days, and the Sabbath days, and here are these "days" in calendar format with their corresponding colors below. New moon day=1st day of month 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=six work days 8th=seventh day Sabbath 9th 10th=Exodus 12:3 11th 12th 13th 14th=Passover Ex.12:6=six work daysAs you can see, the New Moon Day=1st determines the 10th day and the 14th day of the first month, then it also determines all of the other days including the seventh day Sabbath appointed time. Once the new moon day is determined, then this fixes the six working days and the seventh day Sabbaths in the lunar months, this also means that it's impossible for a seventh day Sabbath to fall on any of the six working days or vice versa, it's also impossible for a seventh day Sabbath to ever fall on a New Moon=1st day of the month or vice versa, and it's impossible for a New Moon 1st to ever fall on any of the six working days also. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here below is the entire 1st lunar month Abib in calendar format with their scriptures corresponding to the monthly days. 1st day of month(New Moon Day=Isaiah 66:23; Col.2:16) 2 3 4 5 6 7 (six working days) 8th=( Sabbath Day) 9 10 11 12 13 14(six workdays=Passover=Lev. 23:5; John 19:14, 42) 15th(Sabbath Day=Lev. 23:6; Deut.5:12-15; Numb.28:17; Numb.33:3; John 19:31;Luke 23:56) 16th day=(first day of the week=Matthew 28:1; Mark 16;2; Luke 24:1;John 20:1) 17 18 19 20 21st(end of unleavened bread=Exodus 12:18=six work days) 22nd(Sabbath) 23 24 25 26 27 28(six work days) 29th(Sabbath) then at New moon 1st of the second month it repeats again. Do religious people really believe that Elohim would put His own calendar in the hands of the Romans, and depend on them to preserve His true Sabbaths? Please speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 26, 2021 11:32:57 GMT -5
Greetings and Shalom to all who read. I'm posting this today because it is the middle of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the seventh lunar Hebrew month for many groups, and I want to point out the errors of 3 Sabbaths that are falling in the same week of their Feast(F.) Of(O.) Tabernacles(T.) or F.O.T. for short. You can go here below to www.yrm.org and look at their "Feast Calendar" in the Roman Gregorian month of this September happening now. yrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Calendar-2021.pdfI'm going to put their Feast Of Tabernacles week in calendar format for you to see these 3 Sabbaths in the color red so you can see them as compared to the scriptural Feast Of Tabernacles also in calendar format. Their F.O.T. week looks like this below on the Roman Gregorian calendar. S M T W T F S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 Their week calendar determined by the moon here. 15th=Sep.22nd Wed. 16th=Sep.23rd Thur. 17th=Sep.24th Fri. 18th=Sep.25th Saturday 19th=Sep.26 Sun. 20th=Sep.27th Mon. 21st=Sep.28th Tue. 22nd=Sep.29th Wed.You can see the 3 Sabbaths happening above on the Sep.22nd, the Sep.25th=Saturday Sabbath, and the Sep.29th. Here below is the scriptures calendar of the Feast Of Tabernacles with corresponding scriptures. Also in the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD/Yah seven days: on the first day(the 15th) shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day(22nd day) shall be a sabbath. Leviticus 23:39. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV#39Here is this in calendar format of the seventh lunar month. 15th day= Sabbath 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd=eighth day=Sabbath 23rd Question: Where in this text is there a third Saturday Sabbath falling in the MIDDLE of this lunar week in the scriptures?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 26, 2021 11:56:02 GMT -5
By the way, that Saturday Sabbath above was yesterday on the 25th of September for those who observe the F.O.T. and the scriptures no where sanctions this Saturday Sabbath at all, and this is 3 Sabbaths falling during the F.O.T. for you to notice.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 26, 2021 15:37:00 GMT -5
You can also see another example of 3 Sabbath Holy Convocations falling in one week here. eliyah.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/calendar2021.pdfeliyah.com/resources/scripture-calendar/#downloadThis extra Sabbath is the Roman Saturday of the Roman Gregorian calendar that is falling in between the scriptural 15th day Sabbath and the 22nd day Sabbath, and this is because these religious groups are observing 2 different calendars. The Roman Saturday Sabbath is no where mentioned nor sanctioned in the scriptures, it is only used on the Roman Gregorian calendar.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 26, 2021 15:50:40 GMT -5
Greetings and Shalom to all who read. I'm posting this today because it is the middle of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the seventh lunar Hebrew month for many groups, and I want to point out the errors of 3 Sabbaths that are falling in the same week of their Feast(F.) Of(O.) Tabernacles(T.) or F.O.T. for short. You can go here below to www.yrm.org and look at their "Feast Calendar" in the Roman Gregorian month of this September happening now. yrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Calendar-2021.pdfI'm going to put their Feast Of Tabernacles week in calendar format for you to see these 3 Sabbaths in the color red so you can see them as compared to the scriptural Feast Of Tabernacles also in calendar format. Their F.O.T. week looks like this below on the Roman Gregorian calendar. S M T W T F S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 Their week calendar determined by the moon here. 15th=Sep.22nd Wed. 16th=Sep.23rd Thur. 17th=Sep.24th Fri. 18th=Sep.25th Saturday 19th=Sep.26 Sun. 20th=Sep.27th Mon. 21st=Sep.28th Tue. 22nd=Sep.29th Wed.You can see the 3 Sabbaths happening above on the Sep.22nd, the Sep.25th=Saturday Sabbath, and the Sep.29th. Here below is the scriptures calendar of the Feast Of Tabernacles with corresponding scriptures. Also in the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD/Yah seven days: on the first day(the 15th) shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day(22nd day) shall be a sabbath. Leviticus 23:39. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV#39Here is this in calendar format of the seventh lunar month. 15th day= Sabbath 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd=eighth day=Sabbath 23rd Question: Where in this text is there a third Saturday Sabbath falling in the MIDDLE of this lunar week in the scriptures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 3 Sabbaths during the same week of the Feast Of Tabernacles breaks the commandment below. Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest:Too numerous to list them all so see here. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=six+days&t=KJVThe command to work six days is just as valid as resting on the seventh day Sabbath, and 3 Sabbaths during one week, no one can work six days.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Sept 29, 2021 14:47:23 GMT -5
Greetings and Shalom to all who read. In Numbers 29:12-35 the scriptures speak of EVERY DAY during the Feast Of Tabernacles on the fifteenth(15th day) through to the "eighth day= the 22nd day" of the seventh lunar month, and there is a HOLY CONVOCATION Sabbath on the 15th day and on the eighth or 22nd day of the seventh month. Here below are these days in calendar format with their corresponding texts of scriptures. And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD/YHWH seven days: Numbers 29:12. ..... On the eighth day(22nd day) ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein: Numbers 29:35. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topAlso in the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD/YHWH seven days: on the first day(15th day) shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day(22nd day) shall be a sabbath. Leviticus 23:39. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV#35See the Holy Convocations here. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=holy+convocation&t=KJV15th day=Sabbath=Leviticus 23:39; Numbers 29:12 16th=2nd day=Numbers 29:17 17th=3rd day=Numbers 29:20 18th=4th day=Numbers 29:23 19th=5th day=Numbers 29:26 20th=6th day=Numbers 29:29 21st=last day of F.O.T.=7th day=Numbers 29:32=six work days 22nd=eighth 8th day=Sabbath=Leviticus 23:39; Numbers 29:35As you can see from these texts of scriptures, in their calendar format, that there is NO MENTION of a 3rd Sabbath falling in between these 15th day and the 22nd or eighth day dates as is happening on Y.R.M. and Tom's website feast calendars ABOVE of a Saturday Sabbath, and this is happening because they are observing 2 different calendars today.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Oct 3, 2021 7:59:27 GMT -5
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day(15th day) of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD/YHWH. On the first day(15th day) shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Leviticus 23:34-35. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV#34Also in the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD/YHWH seven days: on the first day(15th day) shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day(22nd day) shall be a sabbath. Leviticus 23:39. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topLooks like this below in calendar format. 15th day=Sabbath 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st=last day of feast 22nd=eighth day=Sabbath This one verse in Leviticus 23:39 is date identifying, and irrefutable scriptural proof that the 15th day of the seventh lunar month is a Sabbath day, and when the 15th day is a Sabbath, then so are the 8th, 22nd, and 29th days are Sabbaths.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Jun 19, 2022 15:20:34 GMT -5
Ken, if ye come by and read this. You quoted this by Nehemiah Gordon. www.lo-ammi.org/forum/main/lo-ammi-forum/1186-yah-s-calendar-in-the-heavens-genesis-1-14/page62Ken, if Nehemiah Gordon is referring to Joshua 5:11 here above, then the scriptures will prove this to be false, first of all, Joshua 5:10 plainly tells us that the children of Israel kept the Passover on the 14th day of the first lunar month, and it does NOT say that they kept A SABBATH on the 14th day of the first lunar month, and to do so, would be lying against the texts of scriptures. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=5&t=KJV#11Second, Joshua 1:11 states this: www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=1&v=11&t=KJV&sstr=0And Joshua 4:19 tells us this: www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=4&v=19&t=KJV#19Here below are these "days" outlined in calendar format, the new moon day is in bold black, the six workdays are in blue, and the Sabbath in red. See Ezekiel 46:1-4. New Moon=1st day of the first month 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=Preparation day=sixth day of the week 8th day of month=Sabbath day 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th=Passover 15th day= both feast of unleavened bread and the seventh day Sabbath The children of Israel crossed Jordan on the 10th day of the first lunar month Abib, and were commanded three days earlier on the 7th day of the month to do a work of preparation- or to make food. This proves that the "seventh" day of the week was on the 8th day of the first lunar month and was the Sabbath. These texts also disproves Nehemiah Gordon's ""perpetual cycle"", because if the 14th day of the first lunar month was a Sabbath, then so was the 7th day of the first lunar month, preparing food on a Sabbath was and is not permitted, and the scriptures calls this 7th day of the month as a preparation of food-a workday. Besides, on Yah's lunar calendar month determined by the moon, the 14th day is always the Passover and Preparation day for the 15th day weekly Sabbath in every place found in the scriptures, and a seventh day Sabbath can never fall on a workday, it's impossible.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Aug 20, 2022 14:29:01 GMT -5
Greetings to all, Believe it or not the S.D.A. church has known the truth regarding the lunar/solar calendar used in the scriptures, this truth was covered up in 1938 and 1996 from the lay people of the S.D.A. church, and you can watch this short video below about this. The Great COVER UP by the SDA church. Seventh-day Adventists hide the Truth about the Lunar Sabbath. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IGfsTsxsl0
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 4, 2023 12:09:31 GMT -5
Ken, every seventh day Sabbath that can be date identified in each lunar month in the scriptures will be on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th days, and yes, they are SIGN/Strong's H226 OWTH Moed/Strong's H4150 days. Also, I have already given you shown date identified Sabbaths on either of the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the lunar months and in different years in the scriptures. And Ken, there are not any scriptures that say the Sabbath is every seventh day in an unbroken cycle since creation either. Also Ken, are ye and Spying still merely observing only the yearly feast days, and still ignoring ALL of the other "days" of Yah's lunar months? Does Yah not command every day of His monthly calendar used in the scriptures? The 15th day of the first lunar month, the first day of the feast of unleavened bread is identified as Sabbath SIGN day in Exodus 13:7-9. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=sign&t=KJV
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 6, 2023 18:06:56 GMT -5
Ken, if ye come by and read this, do ye still hold the position that the Crucifying of Messiah was on a Wednesday? If ye do, then the scriptures will disprove such an assumption, it's something that we have not discussed previously, are ye willing to discuss this further?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 2, 2023 19:48:57 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, go for it, but I would ask that you don't waste my time with a bunch of private interpretations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 3, 2023 17:03:57 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, go for it, but I would ask that you don't waste my time with a bunch of private interpretations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, why is that ye are always telling me to "explain, explain" something about the scriptures, when and if I do then it's my "private interpretation"? But, when it is your "private interpretation" about "we crucified Yeshua Messiah with the help of sinful men" as ye call it, that can't be found in the N.T. scriptures, then it's not a "private interpretation"to you?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 4, 2023 7:47:22 GMT -5
Ken, what proof do ye have that Messiah was crucified on a wednesday?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 4, 2023 10:02:38 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, here again, you start out playing games. You told me you had something NEW that disproves a Wednesday Crucifixion, and I told you to proceed. As of this DATE (today), you have not presented ANYTHING that disproves a Wednesday Crucifixion, nor which proves a 29th day of the lunar month as being a 7th day weekly Sabbath. You are big in using "conjecture" to validate your "theories." Now, you see your "theories" as indisputable "interpretations" of what you THINK the Scripture is clearly saying, and you feel we cannot do this. Obviously, we have DIFFERENT spirits guiding us. You feel the spirit which is guiding us is a spirit of deception, but here is the thing, a deceiving spirit will allow the deceived person to grasp and understand a FEW truthful things, but the Spirit of Truth, if that is the Spirit that is guiding someone, that Spirit will not bring into the heart and mind of a believer, deception. So a false spirit will use a little bit of truth, but the Spirit of Yeshua will not use ANY deception. Do you grasp and believe this?
You see, any interpreting on our part, YOU challenge with, "show me where it says that in the Scriptures," well, what's good for the "goose" is also good for the "gander." Show me the Scripture which States Yeshua wasn't crucified on a Wednesday, and the Scripture which states the 29th day of the lunar month is always a 7th day weekly Sabbath.
Now, no trying to "interpret," okay? Just the PLAIN WRITTEN word of "Yeshua wasn't crucified on a Wednesday," and "the 29th day of the lunar month is always a 7th day weekly Sabbath."
Since you have "new" information, I have agreed to examine it, but please, no games. Just present you evidence and we will SEE if the Spirit of Truth agrees with it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 4, 2023 11:27:39 GMT -5
Ken, I asked ye what proof do ye have that Messiah was crucified on a wednesday?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 4, 2023 12:31:57 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, am I misreading you? On Jan 6th you wrote this, and I bolded the part that caught my eye:
I didn't see your post until Feb 2nd, and this is what I responded with:
Look, you NOW are not willing to discuss something that we have not discussed previously, but rather you want me to teach you all over again how Messiah Yeshua was crucified on Wednesday, and how the WEEKLY Sabbath is determined by ONE of the LUMINARIES in the heaven.
Now, if that is what you are asking of me, instead of discussing something that we have not discussed previously, I would give you back one of YOUR favorite responses: "I have already answered that, go back and search for it, and read my previous answer."
Hopefully this helps you to get back on track in discussing something that we have not discussed previously. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 4, 2023 13:00:36 GMT -5
Ken, I asked ye what proof do ye have that Messiah was crucified on a wednesday? I did not ask you to TEACH anything, and where did ye answer that on this forum? And if your not willing to discuss this further then say so.
As far as I know, it was Herbert Armstrong and off shoots of the old Worldwide Church of God who began propagating a wednesday crucifiction.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 4, 2023 13:09:57 GMT -5
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 4, 2023 14:52:46 GMT -5
Well folks, I guess Ken does not want to discuss this further, but the reasons the 14th day is called the "preparation day" is because it is the day to "prepare" for the first day of the feast of unleavened bread on the 15th day, and which is also the weekly seventh day Sabbath that John called a "high day" in John 19:31. The 14th day of the first lunar month is also the Passover day and the sixth day of the lunar week that the Israelite's were and are to prepare food before the 15th day Sabbath begins. The "preparing" of food before the Sabbath is given as an example in Exodus 16:5 and Joshua 1:11 see below. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=prepare&t=KJVIt's a strange thing that Luke was probably the only real non Jewish writer, and yet he never once mentions the word "Saturday" in Luke 23 and 24 as the Sabbath day, and if "Saturday" was ever called the Sabbath in the 1st Century it seems that he would have mentioned it.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 5, 2023 10:11:32 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, here again you twist and distort. When you asked me to be willing to do something, you NEVER asked me to give you proof that Messiah was crucified on a Wednesday, that only came AFTER I agreed to listen to YOUR so called NEW evidence that YOU wanted to present. So stop it, stop trying to make it appear that I agreed to (at this present time) to give you any proof that Messiah was crucified on Wednesday. I have done that over and over again in the past, to no avail.
Now, I am going to silence you again (that is IF you are honest and sincere) concerning "the preparation." Many times I have shown you precisely that we have ANNUAL Sabbath days, and the day PRIOR to those ANNUAL Sabbath days are called, "the preparation day." These ANNUAL Sabbaths are the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost-Feast of Weeks, Day/Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and the FIRST day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and the 8th Great Day.
In the past, you have twisted the CLEAR wording of the Feast of Unleavened Bread's TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths (the FIRST day and the SEVENTH day of the Feast) to mean the FIRST day of the Feast, and THEN, the SEVENTH day of the WEEK to where there is ONLY ONE Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Here are Scriptures that SHOW there are TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths WITHIN the Feast of Unleavened Bread:
Num 28:16 - 28:25
(16) And in the fourteenth day of the first month [is] the passover of Yehovah.
(17) And in the fifteenth day of this month [is] the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
(18) In the first day [shall be] an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work [therein]: (In the FIRST day OF the Feast is a Sabbath) (19) But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire [for] a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
(20) And their meat offering [shall be of] flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram;
(21) A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
(22) And one goat [for] a sin offering, to make an atonement for you.
(23) Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which [is] for a continual burnt offering.
(24) After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
(25) And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work. (AND on the Seventh Day of the Feast is a Sabbath)
Ex 12:15 - 12:16
(15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
(16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. (BOTH the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast they are ANNUAL Sabbaths)
(Ex 13:6) Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day [shall be] a feast to Yehovah. (The SEVENTH day of the Feast, NOT the SEVENTH day of the week as YOU try to profess.)
Lev 23:5 - 23:8
(5) In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] Yehovah's passover.
(6) And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto Yehovah: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
(7) In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (In the FIRST Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath) (8) But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (In the SEVENTH Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath, NOT necessarily a WEEKLY Sabbath).
(Deut 16:8) Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yehovah thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein]. (It is ON the Seventh Day of the FEAST, NOT the Seventh Day of the Week that this ANNUAL Sabbath ALWAYS falls)
So Eliyahu, IF you are honest and sincere you will CONFESS that "the preparation" not only falls before EACH Saturday 7th Day of the Week Sabbath, but it also falls before each of the above mentioned ANNUAL Sabbaths. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
P.S. Now, do you REALLY have something that is NEW that we haven't discussed before?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 5, 2023 15:42:17 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, have you been following my conversations with guyguy on Lo-Ammi? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 5, 2023 15:43:30 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, come on, WHEN are you going to be willing to extend to me the Right Hand of fellowship? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 5, 2023 16:01:10 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, here again you twist and distort. When you asked me to be willing to do something, you NEVER asked me to give you proof that Messiah was crucified on a Wednesday, that only came AFTER I agreed to listen to YOUR so called NEW evidence that YOU wanted to present. So stop it, stop trying to make it appear that I agreed to (at this present time) to give you any proof that Messiah was crucified on Wednesday. I have done that over and over again in the past, to no avail. Now, I am going to silence you again (that is IF you are honest and sincere) concerning "the preparation." Many times I have shown you precisely that we have ANNUAL Sabbath days, and the day PRIOR to those ANNUAL Sabbath days are called, "the preparation day." These ANNUAL Sabbaths are the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost-Feast of Weeks, Day/Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and the FIRST day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and the 8th Great Day. In the past, you have twisted the CLEAR wording of the Feast of Unleavened Bread's TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths (the FIRST day and the SEVENTH day of the Feast) to mean the FIRST day of the Feast, and THEN, the SEVENTH day of the WEEK to where there is ONLY ONE Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Here are Scriptures that SHOW there are TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths WITHIN the Feast of Unleavened Bread: Num 28:16 - 28:25 (16) And in the fourteenth day of the first month [is] the passover of Yehovah. (17) And in the fifteenth day of this month [is] the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. (18) In the first day [shall be] an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work [therein]: (In the FIRST day OF the Feast is a Sabbath) (19) But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire [for] a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: (20) And their meat offering [shall be of] flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; (21) A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: (22) And one goat [for] a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. (23) Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which [is] for a continual burnt offering. (24) After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. (25) And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work. (AND on the Seventh Day of the Feast is a Sabbath)
Ex 12:15 - 12:16 (15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. (BOTH the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast they are ANNUAL Sabbaths) (Ex 13:6) Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day [shall be] a feast to Yehovah. (The SEVENTH day of the Feast, NOT the SEVENTH day of the week as YOU try to profess.)Lev 23:5 - 23:8 (5) In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] Yehovah's passover. (6) And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto Yehovah: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. (7) In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (In the FIRST Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath) (8) But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (In the SEVENTH Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath, NOT necessarily a WEEKLY Sabbath). (Deut 16:8) Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yehovah thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein]. (It is ON the Seventh Day of the FEAST, NOT the Seventh Day of the Week that this ANNUAL Sabbath ALWAYS falls)So Eliyahu, IF you are honest and sincere you will CONFESS that "the preparation" not only falls before EACH Saturday 7th Day of the Week Sabbath, but it also falls before each of the above mentioned ANNUAL Sabbaths. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Now, do you REALLY have something that is NEW that we haven't discussed before? Ken, oh but there is something that is missing that ye haven't mentioned in your post above here, do ye know what it is? Please tell us. PS: Yea I've noticed that Guyguy corrected you with the scriptures over there and ye simply DENIED them.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 5, 2023 16:14:55 GMT -5
And Ken, I still welcome ye here as one with fellowship, because if I didn't, then should I have banned ye, as you and Spying did me on Lo-Ammi?
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