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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 12:50:55 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, please show us a Scripture that tells us that the Almighty's Calendar dates cannot FLOAT as the Roman calendar dates do? And please show us a Scripture that tells us the Sun does not establish the days of the week, including the 7th day of the week, the Sabbath Day?
Again, you need to stop with the silly questions..."can a Saturday fall on a Sunday?" "Can the 15th day fall on the 14th or 16th day?" What is wrong with your reasoning? You are going to be so embarrassed when your mind is finally "opened" to your false teachings. But I won't hold it against you! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 13:09:48 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, sure, just as soon as you give me a bible verse that identifies the 15th day of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months to be a Sabbath day. That would really help your cause. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew: No the burden of proof is on you; because I've given you the texts of scriptures that identifies the 15th day as the Sabbath of the first month. Shalom Ron, so, we have TWO months out of TWELVE months that identify the 15th day of the month as a Sabbath. Whoop-de-do! I have given you PROOF that the 21st day of the month is an ANNUAL Sabbath, but you seem to be confused between how an ANNUAL Sabbath is on a FIXED date, and the WEEKLY, the 7th Day Sabbath is NOT on a FIXED monthly day. The Sun, and NOT the Moon KNOWS it GOING down, and the going down of the Sun BEGINS a New Day. The 7th Day Sabbath BEGINS at the going down of the Sun, NOT the Moon. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 14:17:05 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, please show us a Scripture that tells us that the Almighty's Calendar dates cannot FLOAT as the Roman calendar dates do? And please show us a Scripture that tells us the Sun does not establish the days of the week, including the 7th day of the week, the Sabbath Day? Again, you need to stop with the silly questions..."can a Saturday fall on a Sunday?" "Can the 15th day fall on the 14th or 16th day?" What is wrong with your reasoning? You are going to be so embarrassed when your mind is finally "opened" to your false teachings. But I won't hold it against you! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, that's what's wrong with your reasoning, you first argue that the 17th day of the first month is a Sabbath, and then ye steal the calendar above arguing for a Sabbath on the 18th day, what's wrong with your reasoning? I've shown ye that the 15th day of the first lunar month was a weekly Sabbath in Moses time Deuteronomy 5:12-15, and the 15th day was also a weekly Sabbath in Yahushua's time John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 it doesn't fall on different dates as Constantine's calendar and seventh day satyrday does. And the reason for this is because once the New Moon is determined, all of the days including the Sabbaths are fixed in each month.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 14:19:28 GMT -5
Ken, will ye please show us where in the scriptures that it pinpoints the 4th day of the lunar month as a Sabbath? Ken, please were're waiting for ye to answer this question for me?
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2023 14:29:12 GMT -5
ImAHebrew:No you haven't proved that the 21st day is a Sabbath either.And why won't you demonstrate how the seventh day Sabbath is found and done by the sun, and please tell us how you know that the 4th day of the first month is a weekly Sabbath?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 16:30:33 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, please show us a Scripture that tells us that the Almighty's Calendar dates cannot FLOAT as the Roman calendar dates do? And please show us a Scripture that tells us the Sun does not establish the days of the week, including the 7th day of the week, the Sabbath Day? Again, you need to stop with the silly questions..."can a Saturday fall on a Sunday?" "Can the 15th day fall on the 14th or 16th day?" What is wrong with your reasoning? You are going to be so embarrassed when your mind is finally "opened" to your false teachings. But I won't hold it against you! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, that's what's wrong with your reasoning, you first argue that the 17th day of the first month is a Sabbath, and then ye steal the calendar above arguing for a Sabbath on the 18th day, what's wrong with your reasoning? I've shown ye that the 15th day of the first lunar month was a weekly Sabbath in Moses time Deuteronomy 5:12-15, and the 15th day was also a weekly Sabbath in Yahushua's time John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 it doesn't fall on different dates as Constantine's calendar and seventh day satyrday does. And the reason for this is because once the New Moon is determined, all of the days including the Sabbaths are fixed in each month. Shalom Eliyahu, you said before, "if I remember correctly" concerning you remembering I argued that the Sabbath fell on the 17th day of the first month. Well, you probably don't remember correctly. Back in 2017 and then again in 2020 I gave you a calendar of a full Lunar FIRST month with all of the Saturday weekly Sabbaths and the High Day ANNUAL Sabbaths in it as it actually occurred with OUR sighting of the New Moon. In that calendar, we sighted the New Moon on a Saturday evening which made Sunday the New Moon Day. When you count out the days of that FIRST Month, the 7th, the 14th, the 21st, and the 28th would all be 7th Day Sabbaths on Saturday. The calendar example that I just recently gave you is based upon the calculated New Moon in a program I use, but more than likely it will be a day or two early based upon clouds and weather conditions on actually SIGHTING the New Moon, but for an example calendar I used THEIR date and timing. They have the New Moon sighting on March 21st (a Tuesday), so for my example I made the FIRST Day of the Month on Wednesday, March 22nd. On THIS calendar example of having the New Moon Day on Wednesday, March 22nd, then the 7th day weekly Sabbaths on Saturday would fall on the following days of THIS First Month: The 4th, the 11th, the 18th, and the 25th. Now, Deu 5:12-15 does NOT say that EVERY 15th day of every Lunar month is the 7th day weekly Sabbath. That is a gross error in YOUR interpretation of those verses. You keep asking me for specific verses that state this day or that day is the 7th day weekly Sabbath, so I keep asking you for specific verses that state the 29th day in the Lunar month is a 7th day weekly Sabbath. Please show me that specific verse, or stop asking me to show you specific verses where the 7th day weekly Sabbath can fall on. The 7th day weekly Sabbath can fall on ANY Lunar day, as the 7th day weekly Sabbath is NOT dependent upon the cycle of the Moon, but rather the cycle of the Sun. Pretty simple once you get your head around it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 16:39:47 GMT -5
ImAHebrew:No you haven't proved that the 21st day is a Sabbath either.And why won't you demonstrate how the seventh day Sabbath is found and done by the sun, and please tell us how you know that the 4th day of the first month is a weekly Sabbath? Shalom Ron, I have very surely proved that the FIRST High Day Sabbath of ULB is ON the 15th day of the FIRST month, and that the SECOND High Day of ULB is on the 21st day of the FIRST month. Concerning the 4th day of the first month being a 7th day weekly Sabbath, see my post above to Eliyahu. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 16:57:12 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, also, if you go back to the creation account of the 7 days, you will find that there is light and darkness, and the light He called Day, and the darkness He called Night, and the evening and the morning were the FIRST day. So, logic tells you that it is the Sun that regulates the coming and going of the day, not the Moon. The Sun KNOWS/ESTABLISHES when the day begins, and when it ends. The Moon regulates the days of the Month, the Sun regulates the days of the week, and the 7th day WEEKLY Sabbath is regulated by the Sun, not the Moon. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 17:37:37 GMT -5
Ken, that's what's wrong with your reasoning, you first argue that the 17th day of the first month is a Sabbath, and then ye steal the calendar above arguing for a Sabbath on the 18th day, what's wrong with your reasoning? I've shown ye that the 15th day of the first lunar month was a weekly Sabbath in Moses time Deuteronomy 5:12-15, and the 15th day was also a weekly Sabbath in Yahushua's time John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 it doesn't fall on different dates as Constantine's calendar and seventh day satyrday does. And the reason for this is because once the New Moon is determined, all of the days including the Sabbaths are fixed in each month. Shalom Eliyahu, you said before, "if I remember correctly" concerning you remembering I argued that the Sabbath fell on the 17th day of the first month. Well, you probably don't remember correctly. Back in 2017 and then again in 2020 I gave you a calendar of a full Lunar FIRST month with all of the Saturday weekly Sabbaths and the High Day ANNUAL Sabbaths in it as it actually occurred with OUR sighting of the New Moon. In that calendar, we sighted the New Moon on a Saturday evening which made Sunday the New Moon Day. When you count out the days of that FIRST Month, the 7th, the 14th, the 21st, and the 28th would all be 7th Day Sabbaths on Saturday. The calendar example that I just recently gave you is based upon the calculated New Moon in a program I use, but more than likely it will be a day or two early based upon clouds and weather conditions on actually SIGHTING the New Moon, but for an example calendar I used THEIR date and timing. They have the New Moon sighting on March 21st (a Tuesday), so for my example I made the FIRST Day of the Month on Wednesday, March 22nd. On THIS calendar example of having the New Moon Day on Wednesday, March 22nd, then the 7th day weekly Sabbaths on Saturday would fall on the following days of THIS First Month: The 4th, the 11th, the 18th, and the 25th. Now, Deu 5:12-15 does NOT say that EVERY 15th day of every Lunar month is the 7th day weekly Sabbath.; That is a gross error in YOUR interpretation of those verses. You keep asking me for specific verses that state this day or that day is the 7th day weekly Sabbath, so I keep asking you for specific verses that state the 29th day in the Lunar month is a 7th day weekly Sabbath. Please show me that specific verse, or stop asking me to show you specific verses where the 7th day weekly Sabbath can fall on. The 7th day weekly Sabbath can fall on ANY Lunar day, as the 7th day weekly Sabbath is NOT dependent upon the cycle of the Moon, but rather the cycle of the Sun. Pretty simple once you get your head around it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, your trying to interpret Yah's calendar by Rome's planetary week and incorporating it into it, try doing it without Rome's planetary week, because Yah uses His lunar week that is already a part of His lunar month, He doesn't need Rome and Constantine's weekly calendar that changed both Yah's laws and appointed times Daniel 7:25. The reader can see here, www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&v=25&t=KJV#25No it's not, the scripture in Psalms 104:19 tells us the moon determines Yah's appointed times/Moedim/Plural, not the sun, and in Leviticus 23:1-3 Yah Himself lists the seventh day Sabbath as His first FEAST/Moedim/Strong's H4150/appointed times. Psalms 104:19 www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=104&v=19&t=KJV#19The reader can see here for the same H4150, www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV&sstr=1Now Ken, please show us a text of scripture that tells us that the SUN determines Yah's Moedim/H4150? The 15th day is BOTH a weekly and yearly Sabbath in every first lunar month in every year in the scriptures, it cannot change "days" and go the same as the 14th day preparation Passover can never change either. Ken, the fact of the matter is, that ye would plainly be lost without Rome's calendar to tell ye when their satyrday falls as their sabbath.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 17:45:12 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you ask: Here you go:
(Gen 1:14) And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (H4150), and for days, and years:
Please explain to me how BOTH of these LIGHTS in the FIRMAMENT are FOR (H4150)?
Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 17:49:18 GMT -5
Ron, many of the seventh day Adventists know that Rome the 4th beast changed Yah's laws Daniel 7:25, but they never search further that Constantine changed also the appointed times of Yah.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 17:56:22 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, there is a Karaite Jew (Nehemia Gordon) that I have mentioned before and he has a good study on the FALSE Lunar Sabbath. Would you be interested in it? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 18:08:14 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you ask: Here you go: (Gen 1:14) And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (H4150), and for days, and years: Please explain to me how BOTH of these LIGHTS in the FIRMAMENT are FOR (H4150)? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, Psalms 104:19 tells us WHICH of the great lights that determine the Moedim, and as I've been asking you all day, then tell us HOW the sun determines any of the Moedim, because anyone can simply add the Roman satyrdays to a moon calendar as ye did above, and while your at it, surely ye should be able to find examples in the scriptures of it, since the Roman satyrday is always falling on different days of the lunar month?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 18:12:45 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, there is a Karaite Jew (Nehemia Gordon) that I have mentioned before and he has a good study on the FALSE Lunar Sabbath. Would you be interested in it? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, ye offered that once before, but one has to pay to read it.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 18:16:33 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you ask: Here you go: (Gen 1:14) And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (H4150), and for days, and years: Please explain to me how BOTH of these LIGHTS in the FIRMAMENT are FOR (H4150)? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, Psalms 104:19 tells us WHICH of the great lights that determine the Moedim, and as I've been asking you all day, then tell us HOW the sun determines any of the Moedim, because anyone can simply add the Roman satyrdays to a moon calendar as ye did above, and while your at it, surely ye should be able to find examples in the scriptures of it, since the Roman satyrday is always falling on different days of the lunar month? Shalom Eliyahu, well, what is the purpose of the Sun then? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 18:36:59 GMT -5
Ken, I can tell ye its purposes, but ye haven't answered my question above, but I think that ye should already know the scriptures regarding it.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 8, 2023 9:27:52 GMT -5
Ken, I can tell ye its purposes, but ye haven't answered my question above, but I think that ye should already know the scriptures regarding it. Shalom Eliyahu, my answer is BOTH, THEY both DETERMINE certain aspects of the Moedim. You can tell that by Lev 23:4 & 5: Are not we told that it is the Sun which KNOWS it's going down, NOT the Moon: (Psa 104:19) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down. Without KNOWING the setting or going down of the Sun, the Moedim of Yehovah's Passover could not be properly determined or fulfilled. The same with the 7th Day weekly Sabbath. You need to KNOW the going down of the Sun for six consecutive days BEFORE the 7th Day Sabbath can be determined. So, BOTH the Sun and the Moon can be used for VARIOUS determinations, like dividing the day from the night, for signs, for seasons, for days, and years. The Moon determines the Months and the Moedim that fall within those Months, the Sun determines the beginning and the ending of the Days, and as you can SEE the Moedim of the Passover is a DAY that is established by the going down of the Sun, just like with the 7th day Sabbath. Simple as that! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Now PLEASE explain why "the sun knoweth his going down" was included WITH "He appointed the moon for seasons?"
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 12:01:44 GMT -5
Ken, I have already explained Yah's calendar used in the scriptures here above, the Roman calendar that ye use only has 2 types of days which are workdays and a false satyrday as a sabbath, the sun goes down every day, but David explicitly said that the MOON determines the MOEDIM.
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Post by Ron on Feb 8, 2023 12:18:30 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Why did you not list the dates from 26th to the next moon?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 12:43:34 GMT -5
Ken, I can tell ye its purposes, but ye haven't answered my question above, but I think that ye should already know the scriptures regarding it. Shalom Eliyahu, my answer is BOTH, THEY both DETERMINE certain aspects of the Moedim. You can tell that by Lev 23:4 & 5: Are not we told that it is the Sun which KNOWS it's going down, NOT the Moon: (Psa 104:19) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down. Without KNOWING the setting or going down of the Sun, the Moedim of Yehovah's Passover could not be properly determined or fulfilled. The same with the 7th Day weekly Sabbath. You need to KNOW the going down of the Sun for six consecutive days BEFORE the 7th Day Sabbath can be determined. So, BOTH the Sun and the Moon can be used for VARIOUS determinations, like dividing the day from the night, for signs, for seasons, for days, and years. The Moon determines the Months and the Moedim that fall within those Months, the Sun determines the beginning and the ending of the Days, and as you can SEE the Moedim of the Passover is a DAY that is established by the going down of the Sun, just like with the 7th day Sabbath. Simple as that! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Now PLEASE explain why "the sun knoweth his going down" was included WITH "He appointed the moon for seasons?" Ken, Yah says His seventh day Sabbath is the very FIRST MOEDIM listed in Leviticus 23:1-3, and the scriptures tell us that the Passover is the 14th day of the MOON, and not the 14th day of the sun. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=fourteenth+day&t=KJV
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 8, 2023 15:56:09 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, my answer is BOTH, THEY both DETERMINE certain aspects of the Moedim. You can tell that by Lev 23:4 & 5: Are not we told that it is the Sun which KNOWS it's going down, NOT the Moon: (Psa 104:19) He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down. Without KNOWING the setting or going down of the Sun, the Moedim of Yehovah's Passover could not be properly determined or fulfilled. The same with the 7th Day weekly Sabbath. You need to KNOW the going down of the Sun for six consecutive days BEFORE the 7th Day Sabbath can be determined. So, BOTH the Sun and the Moon can be used for VARIOUS determinations, like dividing the day from the night, for signs, for seasons, for days, and years. The Moon determines the Months and the Moedim that fall within those Months, the Sun determines the beginning and the ending of the Days, and as you can SEE the Moedim of the Passover is a DAY that is established by the going down of the Sun, just like with the 7th day Sabbath. Simple as that! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Now PLEASE explain why "the sun knoweth his going down" was included WITH "He appointed the moon for seasons?" Ken, Yah says His seventh day Sabbath is the very FIRST MOEDIM listed in Leviticus 23:1-3, and the scriptures tell us that the Passover is the 14th day of the MOON, and not the 14th day of the sun. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=fourteenth+day&t=KJVShalom Eliyahu, you didn't answer my question, so I'm going to try and help you out here. We KNOW that the Law is Spiritual ( Rom 7:14), and within the Law there are "shadows" of what is to come ( Heb 10:1), and I contend that the 7th Day weekly Sabbath is Spiritual "shadow" of something to come. Are we not told, " one day [is] with Yehovah as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day?" And is not the DAY of Yehovah, Yehovah/Yeshua's Day, the Sabbath Day, the 1000 year reign of Messiah. Are we not ALMOST @ the Day of Yehovah in a Spiritual sense? From Adam to now chronologically is almost 6000 years, that Spiritually is almost SIX full DAYS (of Yehovah's days). And the 7th Day Sabbath is almost UPON us, the 1000 years as a Sabbath Day, the Day of Yehovah/Yeshua with Him and His Elect ruling and reigning on this Day ( Rev 20:6-7). Now, if ALL of the above about the 7th Day weekly Sabbath being Spiritual and a shadow of a 1000 year 7th day of the WEEK, then the question needs to be asked....how does the Moon establish this 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath? It can't and doesn't. It is the SUN that knows his going down, NOT the Moon. The going down of the Sun STARTS the 1000 year "Spiritual" 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath, NOT the Moon. Remember the Disciples asking Yeshua here: Acts 1:6 - 1:7
(6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (7) And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power.
(Mt 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Spiritually speaking, which of the created things is the one thing that most shadows or PICTURES the Father? Think about what the Apostle Paul said here:
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The INVISIBLE things of Elohim are REVEALED by what He CREATED, and the Sun is the one thing that Elohim created that Pictures the Father the BEST. What do the Scriptures say...you cannot look at the FACE of Elohim (who can look at the face of the Sun?), Elohim is a "consuming FIRE" ( Heb 12:29), just like the Sun, the Father SENT His Son as LIGHT unto the world, so that the world could have LIFE, the Sun sends it's light to the world so the world can have life (photosynthesis). So what does all of this mean? The Father (who is PICTURED as the Spiritual Sun) KNOWS His going down concerning the DAY and HOUR of WHEN The Spiritual 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath BEGINS, and NOT the Moon. The Moon sets and determines those ANNUAL Monthly Sabbaths, but the Sun determines or sets the WEEKLY Sabbath. Hope this might help you Eliyahu. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 17:03:01 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you didn't answer my question, so I'm going to try and help you out here. We KNOW that the Law is Spiritual ( Rom 7:14), and within the Law there are "shadows" of what is to come ( Heb 10:1), and I contend that the 7th Day weekly Sabbath is Spiritual "shadow" of something to come. Are we not told, " one day [is] with Yehovah as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day?" And is not the DAY of Yehovah, Yehovah/Yeshua's Day, the Sabbath Day, the 1000 year reign of Messiah. Are we not ALMOST @ the Day of Yehovah in a Spiritual sense? From Adam to now chronologically is almost 6000 years, that Spiritually is almost SIX full DAYS (of Yehovah's days). And the 7th Day Sabbath is almost UPON us, the 1000 years as a Sabbath Day, the Day of Yehovah/Yeshua with Him and His Elect ruling and reigning on this Day ( Rev 20:6-7). Now, if ALL of the above about the 7th Day weekly Sabbath being Spiritual and a shadow of a 1000 year 7th day of the WEEK, then the question needs to be asked....how does the Moon establish this 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath? It can't and doesn't. It is the SUN that knows his going down, NOT the Moon. The going down of the Sun STARTS the 1000 year "Spiritual" 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath, NOT the Moon. Remember the Disciples asking Yeshua here: Acts 1:6 - 1:7
(6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (7) And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power.
(Mt 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Spiritually speaking, which of the created things is the one thing that most shadows or PICTURES the Father? Think about what the Apostle Paul said here:
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The INVISIBLE things of Elohim are REVEALED by what He CREATED, and the Sun is the one thing that Elohim created that Pictures the Father the BEST. What do the Scriptures say...you cannot look at the FACE of Elohim (who can look at the face of the Sun?), Elohim is a "consuming FIRE" ( Heb 12:29), just like the Sun, the Father SENT His Son as LIGHT unto the world, so that the world could have LIFE, the Sun sends it's light to the world so the world can have life (photosynthesis). So what does all of this mean? The Father (who is PICTURED as the Spiritual Sun) KNOWS His going down concerning the DAY and HOUR of WHEN The Spiritual 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath BEGINS, and NOT the Moon. The Moon sets and determines those ANNUAL Monthly Sabbaths, but the Sun determines or sets the WEEKLY Sabbath.Hope this might help you Eliyahu. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yes I did answer your question, and Yah Himself makes His commands very plain, the moon determines His MOEDIM/APPOINTED TIMES H4150, period, and not the sun, now if ye can't accept and obey those scriptures, then you have a problem, because ye can't CHANGE the texts of scriptures to fit the modern Roman calendar week. The modern Roman planetary week goes with its calendar, neither Moses nor Yah Messiah followed the Roman calendar.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 8, 2023 17:24:25 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you didn't answer my question, so I'm going to try and help you out here. We KNOW that the Law is Spiritual ( Rom 7:14), and within the Law there are "shadows" of what is to come ( Heb 10:1), and I contend that the 7th Day weekly Sabbath is Spiritual "shadow" of something to come. Are we not told, " one day [is] with Yehovah as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day?" And is not the DAY of Yehovah, Yehovah/Yeshua's Day, the Sabbath Day, the 1000 year reign of Messiah. Are we not ALMOST @ the Day of Yehovah in a Spiritual sense? From Adam to now chronologically is almost 6000 years, that Spiritually is almost SIX full DAYS (of Yehovah's days). And the 7th Day Sabbath is almost UPON us, the 1000 years as a Sabbath Day, the Day of Yehovah/Yeshua with Him and His Elect ruling and reigning on this Day ( Rev 20:6-7). Now, if ALL of the above about the 7th Day weekly Sabbath being Spiritual and a shadow of a 1000 year 7th day of the WEEK, then the question needs to be asked....how does the Moon establish this 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath? It can't and doesn't. It is the SUN that knows his going down, NOT the Moon. The going down of the Sun STARTS the 1000 year "Spiritual" 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath, NOT the Moon. Remember the Disciples asking Yeshua here: Acts 1:6 - 1:7
(6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (7) And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power.
(Mt 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Spiritually speaking, which of the created things is the one thing that most shadows or PICTURES the Father? Think about what the Apostle Paul said here:
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The INVISIBLE things of Elohim are REVEALED by what He CREATED, and the Sun is the one thing that Elohim created that Pictures the Father the BEST. What do the Scriptures say...you cannot look at the FACE of Elohim (who can look at the face of the Sun?), Elohim is a "consuming FIRE" ( Heb 12:29), just like the Sun, the Father SENT His Son as LIGHT unto the world, so that the world could have LIFE, the Sun sends it's light to the world so the world can have life (photosynthesis). So what does all of this mean? The Father (who is PICTURED as the Spiritual Sun) KNOWS His going down concerning the DAY and HOUR of WHEN The Spiritual 1000 year 7th Day of the WEEK Sabbath BEGINS, and NOT the Moon. The Moon sets and determines those ANNUAL Monthly Sabbaths, but the Sun determines or sets the WEEKLY Sabbath.Hope this might help you Eliyahu. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yes I did answer your question, and Yah Himself makes His commands very plain, the moon determines His MOEDIM/APPOINTED TIMES H4150, period, and not the sun, now if ye can't accept and obey those scriptures, then you have a problem, because ye can't CHANGE the texts of scriptures to fit the modern Roman calendar week. The modern Roman planetary week goes with its calendar, neither Moses nor Yah Messiah followed the Roman calendar. Shalom Eliyahu, can you explain something else for me? In Lev 23:2 & 4, you have almost identical wording of each verse in the Hebrew. Can you explain that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 17:29:04 GMT -5
Ken, In the fourteenth day of the first month/Moon at even is Yah's passover. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV&sstr=0The 14th day Passover is determined from the NEW MOON DAY=1st day of the month, it is the sixth day of the lunar week, it is a commanded workday, and it too is a commanded MOED listed in Leviticus 23:5, so your idea of merely counting sundowns is shattered, because the NEW MOON determines every day of the lunar month. -------------------------------------------------------------- Sure Ken, the scriptures are often mentioned twice or even more, for example the 15th day of the first month is mentioned in similar ways I think about 9 times in Exodus chapter 12 and 13.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 8, 2023 17:30:49 GMT -5
Ken, In the fourteenth day of the first month/Moon at even is Yah's passover. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&t=KJV&sstr=0The 14th day Passover is determined from the NEW MOON DAY=1st day of the month, it is the sixth day of the lunar week, it is a commanded workday, and it too is a commanded MOED listed in Leviticus 23:5, so your idea of merely counting sundowns is shattered, because the NEW MOON determines every day of the lunar month. Shalom Eliyahu, can you explain something else for me? In Lev 23:2 & 4, you have almost identical wording of each verse in the Hebrew. Can you explain that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 17:45:16 GMT -5
Ken, see my post above your last one.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 17:47:17 GMT -5
Ken, let me ask ye, do you fully understand the luni/Solar calendar that I've shown above in this thread?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 8, 2023 18:18:20 GMT -5
Ken, see my post above your last one. Shalom Eliyahu, can you explain something else for me? In Lev 23:2 & 4, you have almost identical wording of each verse in the Hebrew. Can you explain that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 18:24:33 GMT -5
Ken, I did in post #870 above.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 8, 2023 18:46:41 GMT -5
Ken, do ye realize what these passages of scriptures is really saying?
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of Elohim: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation/MOEDIM/H4150/APPOINTED TIMES, in the sides of the north:I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:12-14.
These texts are telling us that satan is bragging about sitting on the mount of Yah's appointed times, and the only way that he can get his worship is by deceiving the world with a counterfeit calendar and sabbath to get his worship.
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