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Post by Ron on Feb 5, 2023 18:28:41 GMT -5
Eliyahu: I could probably guess what's missing in ImAHebrew's presentation above; however, I assume that you would have ImAHebrew to answer it.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 5, 2023 18:38:20 GMT -5
Eliyahu: I could probably guess what's missing in ImAHebrew's presentation above; however, I assume that you would have ImAHebrew to answer it. Greetings Ron, I would ask ye to wait before ye answer because I want Ken to answer it since he left it out.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 5, 2023 21:31:27 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, here again you twist and distort. When you asked me to be willing to do something, you NEVER asked me to give you proof that Messiah was crucified on a Wednesday, that only came AFTER I agreed to listen to YOUR so called NEW evidence that YOU wanted to present. So stop it, stop trying to make it appear that I agreed to (at this present time) to give you any proof that Messiah was crucified on Wednesday. I have done that over and over again in the past, to no avail. Now, I am going to silence you again (that is IF you are honest and sincere) concerning "the preparation." Many times I have shown you precisely that we have ANNUAL Sabbath days, and the day PRIOR to those ANNUAL Sabbath days are called, "the preparation day." These ANNUAL Sabbaths are the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost-Feast of Weeks, Day/Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and the FIRST day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and the 8th Great Day. In the past, you have twisted the CLEAR wording of the Feast of Unleavened Bread's TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths (the FIRST day and the SEVENTH day of the Feast) to mean the FIRST day of the Feast, and THEN, the SEVENTH day of the WEEK to where there is ONLY ONE Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Here are Scriptures that SHOW there are TWO ANNUAL Sabbaths WITHIN the Feast of Unleavened Bread: Num 28:16 - 28:25 (16) And in the fourteenth day of the first month [is] the passover of Yehovah. (17) And in the fifteenth day of this month [is] the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. (18) In the first day [shall be] an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work [therein]: (In the FIRST day OF the Feast is a Sabbath) (19) But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire [for] a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: (20) And their meat offering [shall be of] flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; (21) A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: (22) And one goat [for] a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. (23) Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which [is] for a continual burnt offering. (24) After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. (25) And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work. (AND on the Seventh Day of the Feast is a Sabbath)
Ex 12:15 - 12:16 (15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. (BOTH the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast they are ANNUAL Sabbaths) (Ex 13:6) Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day [shall be] a feast to Yehovah. (The SEVENTH day of the Feast, NOT the SEVENTH day of the week as YOU try to profess.)Lev 23:5 - 23:8 (5) In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] Yehovah's passover. (6) And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto Yehovah: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. (7) In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (In the FIRST Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath) (8) But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (In the SEVENTH Day of the FEAST it is an ANNUAL Sabbath, NOT necessarily a WEEKLY Sabbath). (Deut 16:8) Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yehovah thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein]. (It is ON the Seventh Day of the FEAST, NOT the Seventh Day of the Week that this ANNUAL Sabbath ALWAYS falls)So Eliyahu, IF you are honest and sincere you will CONFESS that "the preparation" not only falls before EACH Saturday 7th Day of the Week Sabbath, but it also falls before each of the above mentioned ANNUAL Sabbaths. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Now, do you REALLY have something that is NEW that we haven't discussed before? Ken, oh but there is something that is missing that ye haven't mentioned in your post above here, do ye know what it is? Please tell us. PS: Yea I've noticed that Guyguy corrected you with the scriptures over there and ye simply DENIED them. Shalom Eliyahu, not a thing, NOTHING that was left out! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 7:57:49 GMT -5
Ken,
Where in these seven days, or which one of them is your satyrday Sabbath?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 6, 2023 8:25:47 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, tell me, is your memory really that bad for you to not remember my answer to your question? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Feb 6, 2023 8:26:54 GMT -5
That was my guess which day was the seventh day Sabbath.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 8:30:04 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, tell me, is your memory really that bad for you to not remember my answer to your question? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, so tell us, which day of these seven days is a satyrday sabbath?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 8:57:26 GMT -5
Ken, I'm talking about in your post above, and not a post on Lo-Ammi.
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Post by Ron on Feb 6, 2023 9:39:15 GMT -5
Eliyahu: In the four gospel's of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John the seventh day Sabbath would be on the 15th, the day after Christ's death which was called the Passover.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 10:11:19 GMT -5
Eliyahu: In the four gospel's of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John the seventh day Sabbath would be on the 15th, the day after Christ's death which was called the Passover. Ron, Yes, a casual reading of these scriptures tells us so, however, the fifteenth day is also the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, it is BOTH the seventh day Sabbath Deuteronomy 5:12-15 and the yearly first day of the feast.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 6, 2023 11:05:17 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, maybe you just were confused to think I was answering your question in my post above. That's ok, I understand. Now, if you want, I could remind you of where I have already answered your question. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 11:09:42 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, maybe you just were confused to think I was answering your question in my post above. That's ok, I understand. Now, if you want, I could remind you of where I have already answered your question. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. No Ken, I did not ask you to remind me where ye already answered my question, I asked you "Where in these seven days above, or which one of them is your satyrday Sabbath?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 11:21:20 GMT -5
Ken, you had a chance to answer my question this morning, why not answer it, after all, if there is a continuous uninterupted weekly cycle then one of these seven days ABOVE that ye mentioned would be your satyrday Sabbath?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 6, 2023 11:31:51 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you first say I left something out of my post, and I tell you nothing was left out. Then you start asking a question you have asked me before on many occasions. And I remind you I have answered your question before. Do you want me to answer your question again, or should you go searching for the answer I have previously given you? I really thought you were being honest with me when you lured me into telling you "go for it." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 11:40:16 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you first say I left something out of my post, and I tell you nothing was left out. Then you start asking a question you have asked me before on many occasions. And I remind you I have answered your question before. Do you want me to answer your question again, or should you go searching for the answer I have previously given you? I really thought you were being honest with me when you lured me into telling you "go for it." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. No Ken, ye NEVER answered my question above, because ye left out your satyrday Sabbath in the post above, and I never lured ye into anything, because you created the post above, and when I gave ye the opportunity to answer the question this morning you waited until Ron and I answered it.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 6, 2023 13:47:20 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, I'm at work right now so you will have to be on pins and needles until I get home to respond. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 6, 2023 17:12:49 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, I'm at work right now so you will have to be on pins and needles until I get home to respond. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I'm never on pins and needles, but evidently ye are, because ye have still avoided answering my question regarding which of the seven days in your post above is your satyrday?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 6, 2023 19:54:14 GMT -5
Shalom Dear Eliyahu, please note that I desire you to be as a brother, but for that to happen, we need to agree.
Now, I am pretty good at reading into what people write, and when you wrote this: This is how I READ you: Ok, so I saw your challenge, and I know there would be NOTHING you would be able to present that would destroy my belief in a Wednesday Crucifixion, so I told you: Now, you were unwilling to "go for it," and instead, you asked a question in YOUR pursuit of wasting my time: Instead of SHOWING me YOUR proof, you started PLAYING your GAMES asking me to give YOU proof about what I KNOW and BELIEVE. That is YOUR MOA, tell us YOU have PROOF, and THEN ask us to give you OUR Proof. I called you out on it and what did you do? You acted like I wouldn't answer YOUR question. Then you SWITCHED gears and asked me a different question: Ok, so I give you a VERY detailed answer to YOUR question, but look what happens, you challenge me by asking ANOTHER question, telling me something is MISSING from my answer: Can you imagine that? Something was missing from my answer! Well, here was my response: So I tell you NOTHING was left out of my answer, and then you switch gears again and ask another NEW question: Oh boy, now we are back to the OLD Eliyahu, asking the same question over and over again. Have you forgotten? I thought you had a "photographic" memory? So, my answer is that you cannot TELL which of the seven days is the Saturday Sabbath, unless you KNOW what day of the week the 1st day of the month fell on. Here is an EXAMPLE of a calendar that SHOWS when the 7th Day of the Week (Saturday Sabbath) can fall BETWEEN the TWO ANNUAL High Sabbaths Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which will DESTROY your Lunar Sabbath: So Eliyahu, as you can see IF you are HONEST and SINCERE, in this EXAMPLE, the WEEKLY Saturday 7th Day Sabbath falls on the 18th day of the Lunar Month, and THAT destroys YOUR Lunar Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2023 8:00:32 GMT -5
ImAHebrew Where are your scriptures that tell us that the weekly seventh day Sabbath falls on the 18th day or any of the other days that you gave above for that matter?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 8:35:14 GMT -5
ImAHebrew Where are your scriptures that tell us that the weekly seventh day Sabbath falls on the 18th day or any of the other days that you gave above for that matter? Shalom Ron, IF you can show your scriptures that tell us that the weekly seventh day Sabbath NEVER falls on the 18th day or any of the other days that I gave above for that matter, THEN I would be happy to show any of my Scriptures that I could find. And while you are looking for that Scripture that tell us the weekly seventh day Sabbath NEVER falls on the 18th day of the lunar month, can you also look for the Scripture that TELLS us the 29th day of the lunar month is ALWAYS a 7th day of the week Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2023 8:45:55 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I already gave it above it's the 15th John 19:31; the 15th day follows the 14th day preparation passover.
Gotta go be back later; but please give me one of your dates above identified in the Bible.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 11:22:59 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I already gave it above it's the 15th John 19:31; the 15th day follows the 14th day preparation passover. Gotta go be back later; but please give me one of your dates above identified in the Bible. Shalom Ron, I guess I'm not following how John 19:31 does "tell us that the weekly seventh day Sabbath NEVER falls on the 18th day," maybe YOUR bible reads John 19:31 differently than mine does. Oh yes, you ONLY want verses that quote EXACTLY the way you want them QUOTED when it comes to what I say, and NOT with what you say. Why won't you be consistent? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. One of the dates that I have above is this: Here are the verses that establish the Seventh day of the Feast of ULB as being the 21st day of the Month in my Calendar above, as it is an ANNUAL High Day Sabbath. John 19:31 speaks about the FIRST ANNUAL High Day Sabbath of the Feast of ULB, the FIRST day of the Feast (the 15th), but the 15th day of every Month is NEVER said to ALWAYS be the weekly 7th Day Sabbath. In fact, for Elohim to specifically mention the 15th days of the FIRST and SEVENTH months to be Sabbaths, PROVES the 15th days of the other months are NOT 7th day weekly Sabbaths. Do you see? IF ALL the 15th days of EVERY month are 7th day weekly Sabbaths, why does Elohim ONLY mention that the FIRST and SEVENTH month's 15th days are to be Sabbaths? That's a hard one for you isn't it?
Ex 12:15 - 12:16
(15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day (H7637 - The seventh day of the Feast, not the seventh day weekly Sabbath), that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day (H7637 - This seventh day IS the seventh day of the Feast, and it corresponds to the 21st Day of the Month, Tuesday, April 11th, 2023 in the Calendar I presented and have quoted above) there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 12:09:06 GMT -5
Shalom Dear Eliyahu, please note that I desire you to be as a brother, but for that to happen, we need to agree. Now, I am pretty good at reading into what people write, and when you wrote this: This is how I READ you: Ok, so I saw your challenge, and I know there would be NOTHING you would be able to present that would destroy my belief in a Wednesday Crucifixion, so I told you: Now, you were unwilling to "go for it," and instead, you asked a question in YOUR pursuit of wasting my time: Instead of SHOWING me YOUR proof, you started PLAYING your GAMES asking me to give YOU proof about what I KNOW and BELIEVE. That is YOUR MOA, tell us YOU have PROOF, and THEN ask us to give you OUR Proof. I called you out on it and what did you do? You acted like I wouldn't answer YOUR question. Then you SWITCHED gears and asked me a different question: Ok, so I give you a VERY detailed answer to YOUR question, but look what happens, you challenge me by asking ANOTHER question, telling me something is MISSING from my answer: Can you imagine that? Something was missing from my answer! Well, here was my response: So I tell you NOTHING was left out of my answer, and then you switch gears again and ask another NEW question: Oh boy, now we are back to the OLD Eliyahu, asking the same question over and over again. Have you forgotten? I thought you had a "photographic" memory? So, my answer is that you cannot TELL which of the seven days is the Saturday Sabbath, unless you KNOW what day of the week the 1st day of the month fell on. Here is an EXAMPLE of a calendar that SHOWS when the 7th Day of the Week (Saturday Sabbath) can fall BETWEEN the TWO ANNUAL High Sabbaths Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which will DESTROY your Lunar Sabbath: So Eliyahu, as you can see IF you are HONEST and SINCERE, in this EXAMPLE, the WEEKLY Saturday 7th Day Sabbath falls on the 18th day of the Lunar Month, and THAT destroys YOUR Lunar Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Sorry Ken, but anyone can MAKE UP numbers 1-30 and put the Roman calendar satyrday dates of it's month beside them as can be found below on google. See here, www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-1&q=feast+days+for+2023&oq=feast+days+for+2023&aqs=avast..69i64.9j0j1&ie=UTF-8#ip=1Now, if I remember correctly, ye argued before of a satyrday sabbath on the 17th day of the lunar month and not the 18th day as above, looks like ye change your dates like changing shorts. Now suppose ye tell us where Moses identified the 18th day as a Sabbath? Because Moses does identify the 15th day with the seventh day Sabbath in Deuteronomy 5:12-15, which is also the very day the Israelites were freed from Egyptian slavery. And Ron has already given ye John 19:31, and I will also give Luke 23:54-56. PS: Ken, you have a nice trick of changing my question into your own calendar scenario to try and answer.
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2023 12:20:25 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I was giving you the dates of the first month that the Bible itself identifies as a Sabbath; now why won't you give us a date where in the Bible that it identifies the 18th day as a Sabbath?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, like I told you with my answer, the 7th Day weekly Sabbath falling on Saturday can vary as to what day of the month it falls on, based upon what day of the week the New Moon is sighted on. So don't let my example of ONE month having it fall on the 17th, and a different month falling on the 18th confuse you. You know, you like to nit-pic the tiniest of knats don't you?
Now suppose ye tell us where Moses identified the 29th day as a Sabbath? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
P.S. Did you forget about the NEW information you had that you wanted to share with concerning the Wednesday Crucifixion?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 12:28:59 GMT -5
Ken, will ye please show us where in the scriptures that it pinpoints the 4th day of the lunar month as a Sabbath?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 12:33:10 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I was giving you the dates of the first month that the Bible itself identifies as a Sabbath; now why won't you give us a date where in the Bible that it identifies the 18th day as a Sabbath? Shalom Ron, sure, just as soon as you give me a bible verse that identifies the 15th day of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months to be a Sabbath day. That would really help your cause. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 7, 2023 12:34:36 GMT -5
Ken, will ye please show us where in the scriptures that it pinpoints the 4th day of the lunar month as a Sabbath? Shalom Eliyahu, sure, just as soon as you show us where in the scriptures that it pinpoints the 29th day of the lunar month as a Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 7, 2023 12:37:08 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, like I told you with my answer, the 7th Day weekly Sabbath falling on Saturday can vary as to what day of the month it falls on, based upon what day of the week the New Moon is sighted on. So don't let my example of ONE month having it fall on the 17th, and a different month falling on the 18th confuse you. You know, you like to nit-pic the tiniest of knats don't you? Now suppose ye tell us where Moses identified the 29th day as a Sabbath? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. Did you forget about the NEW information you had that you wanted to share with concerning the Wednesday Crucifixion? No Ken, the Almighty's Calendar dates including the Sabbaths in the scriptures can't FLOAT as the Roman calendar dates do, and I think that ye know why but your not honest enough to tell us. Can the 15th day of the lunar month ever fall on the 14th day or the 16th day of the first month?
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2023 12:44:16 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I was giving you the dates of the first month that the Bible itself identifies as a Sabbath; now why won't you give us a date where in the Bible that it identifies the 18th day as a Sabbath? Shalom Ron, sure, just as soon as you give me a bible verse that identifies the 15th day of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months to be a Sabbath day. That would really help your cause. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew: No the burden of proof is on you; because I've given you the texts of scriptures that identifies the 15th day as the Sabbath of the first month.
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