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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 5, 2023 19:28:48 GMT -5
Ron, I am being honest with Ken, but he won't be honest about Moses calling the 15th day "the seventh day CHAG=H2282".
And ye can see it in these texts below.
The 15th day is a CHAG=H2282, and Moses calls it the SEVENTH DAY, and it is the 7th day of the week, and this destroys the Satyrday sabbath observers.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 6, 2023 7:19:57 GMT -5
Ron, I am being honest with Ken, but he won't be honest about Moses calling the 15th day "the seventh day CHAG=H2282". And ye can see it in these texts below. The 15th day is a CHAG=H2282, and Moses calls it the SEVENTH DAY, and it is the 7th day of the week, and this destroys the Satyrday sabbath observers. Shalom Eliyahu, there is one BIG mistake you have made in calling the LAST, Great Day of the Feast the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and that is because of the LAST verse of chapter 7. See, you can't have the Sabbath where Yeshua healed the man born blind from birth on the 23rd day of the month, YET, the last verse of chapter 7 shows that the people were returning HOME on the 23rd day of the month. Consider Solomon in 2 Chr 7:10: ( 2Chr 7:10) And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that Yehovah had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people. It's AFTER the 22nd day of the month that the people RETURN to their tents/homes, ON the 23rd day of the month, and look at John 7:53: ( Jn 7:53) And every man went unto his own house. The Feast of Tabernacles is OVER, they are no longer dwelling in their "booths," but they WENT unto their own house. Here is what several commentators have to say: A.Clark: As the feast was now ended, they were not obliged to continue any longer in or about Jerusalem; and therefore all returned to their respective dwellings. J.Gill: "to their own houses"; as they now did, and not to their booths, the feast of tabernacles being now over. So Eliyahu, for verse 53 to be accurate, the Feast of Tabernacles is OVER, and the LAST, Great (Megas) Day of the Feast, was the 8th Great Day (on the 22nd), NOT the 7th day (on the 21st) as you imagine, and the people returned to their homes on the 23rd day of the month, making the Sabbath that the man born blind from birth was healed on, to be a Sabbath OUTSIDE of your lunar sabbath calendar! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 6, 2023 8:17:47 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I think that Eliyahu is using the law of Moses to interpret which of the 'days' are Sabbaths or holy convocations; and in Lev. 23:34, and in Numbers 29:12-35 identifies the holy assemblies on the 15th and 22nd. Also, do you accept this quote of the Adam Clark commentary about John 19:31?
Adam Clark calls the preparation day a Friday and not Wednesday.
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Post by Ron on Mar 6, 2023 8:28:50 GMT -5
Ron, I am being honest with Ken, but he won't be honest about Moses calling the 15th day "the seventh day CHAG=H2282". And ye can see it in these texts below. The 15th day is a CHAG=H2282, and Moses calls it the SEVENTH DAY, and it is the 7th day of the week, and this destroys the Satyrday sabbath observers. Eliyahu: Since ImAHebrew used the Adam Clark commentary I also decided to see what he had to say about Exodus 13:6. Here's the quote: Adam Clark also agrees with you in referring to Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the first day of unleavened bread.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 6, 2023 9:45:56 GMT -5
Ron, I am being honest with Ken, but he won't be honest about Moses calling the 15th day "the seventh day CHAG=H2282". And ye can see it in these texts below. The 15th day is a CHAG=H2282, and Moses calls it the SEVENTH DAY, and it is the 7th day of the week, and this destroys the Satyrday sabbath observers. Shalom Eliyahu, there is one BIG mistake you have made in calling the LAST, Great Day of the Feast the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and that is because of the LAST verse of chapter 7. See, you can't have the Sabbath where Yeshua healed the man born blind from birth on the 23rd day of the month, YET, the last verse of chapter 7 shows that the people were returning HOME on the 23rd day of the month. Consider Solomon in 2 Chr 7:10: ( 2Chr 7:10) And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that Yehovah had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people. It's AFTER the 22nd day of the month that the people RETURN to their tents/homes, ON the 23rd day of the month, and look at John 7:53: ( Jn 7:53) And every man went unto his own house. The Feast of Tabernacles is OVER, they are no longer dwelling in their "booths," but they WENT unto their own house. Here is what several commentators have to say: A.Clark: As the feast was now ended, they were not obliged to continue any longer in or about Jerusalem; and therefore all returned to their respective dwellings. J.Gill: "to their own houses"; as they now did, and not to their booths, the feast of tabernacles being now over. So Eliyahu, for verse 53 to be accurate, the Feast of Tabernacles is OVER, and the LAST, Great (Megas) Day of the Feast, was the 8th Great Day (on the 22nd), NOT the 7th day (on the 21st) as you imagine, and the people returned to their homes on the 23rd day of the month, making the Sabbath that the man born blind from birth was healed on, to be a Sabbath OUTSIDE of your lunar sabbath calendar! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Your problem above is that your making the "last day of the feast on the 22nd" but the feast is only seven 7 days long, and not 8 days long, and Numbers 29:12-35 says nothing about the seventh day=21st day of the feast being a Sabbath. In Leviticus 23:39-42 the feast is seven days and ends on the 21st day at evening John 7:37, and the following day the 22nd is THE EIGHTH DAY=a Sabbath. As far as the common-taters are concerned, I don't allow them to interpret scriptures for me, I would rather allow the scriptures to interpret themselves for me.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 6, 2023 9:59:57 GMT -5
Ken, it seems that ye will use everyone and anyone that you think will prove your point, that's a bad habit running to the internet and common-taters such as the Talmud to interpret scriptures for ye.
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Post by Ron on Mar 6, 2023 10:07:39 GMT -5
Common taters? What a laugh! Ha, ha, ha,
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Post by Ron on Mar 6, 2023 10:13:56 GMT -5
Eliyahu and ImAHebrew gotta go for now.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 6, 2023 10:16:00 GMT -5
Eliyahu and ImAHebrew gotta go for now. Me too catcha later.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 6, 2023 18:21:58 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, here again you overlook something very important. How many days did they dwell in "booths?" Did they dwell 7 days in booths, and then go home for the 8th Great (Megas) day? Explain that to me, how did it work out back then? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 6, 2023 18:35:16 GMT -5
Ron, I am being honest with Ken, but he won't be honest about Moses calling the 15th day "the seventh day CHAG=H2282". And ye can see it in these texts below. The 15th day is a CHAG=H2282, and Moses calls it the SEVENTH DAY, and it is the 7th day of the week, and this destroys the Satyrday sabbath observers. Eliyahu: Since ImAHebrew used the Adam Clark commentary I also decided to see what he had to say about Exodus 13:6. Here's the quote: Adam Clark also agrees with you in referring to Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the first day of unleavened bread. Shalom Ron, Adam Clark believes in a Friday crucifixion, he has NO knowledge of Yeshua being crucified on Wednesday, therefore he would say the preparation day was on Friday. But he is wrong, just like you and Eliyahu. Concerning your quote from Adam Clark for Exodus 13:6, it has a link and note to better explain Exodus 13:6 by going to his note for Exodus 12:15, and here is what he says: Did you catch that, Adam Clark does not agree with you or Eliyahu at all in that the FIRST and LAST days of the seven day Feast are Holy convocations (Sabbaths). That would make the 15th day AND the 21st day of the 1st month BOTH Sabbaths. Hope that helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 6, 2023 18:54:12 GMT -5
Ken, it seems that ye will use everyone and anyone that you think will prove your point, that's a bad habit running to the internet and common-taters such as the Talmud to interpret scriptures for ye. Shalom Eliyahu, well, you disregard clear and concise Scriptures so I thought that maybe a third party might make a difference. As it may, let's use the Scriptures. Numbers 10:11 states the Children of Israel started on a journey on the 20th day of the month, and Numbers 10:33 states they traveled for THREE days to search out a RESTING place. How do you explain them traveling on YOUR lunar Sabbath of the 22nd day of the month? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 7, 2023 11:43:37 GMT -5
ImAHebrew you use the commentaries and pick and choose from them what fits your theories and then disregard the quotes that disagrees with you so really it makes no difference in using them, and if you think that Clark had no knowledge about the time of the death and resurrection of Christ he would be farther more credible than you could ever be for that matter. Also, you've fought so hard against Eliyahu's proof of which 'dates' that the Sabbaths occur in the Bible but you haven't proven the 'dates' of when a Saturday occurs, why is that?
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Post by Ron on Mar 7, 2023 12:03:44 GMT -5
Eliyahu: Since ImAHebrew used the Adam Clark commentary I also decided to see what he had to say about Exodus 13:6. Here's the quote: Adam Clark also agrees with you in referring to Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the first day of unleavened bread. Shalom Ron, Adam Clark believes in a Friday crucifixion, he has NO knowledge of Yeshua being crucified on Wednesday, therefore he would say the preparation day was on Friday. But he is wrong, just like you and Eliyahu. Concerning your quote from Adam Clark for Exodus 13:6, it has a link and note to better explain Exodus 13:6 by going to his note for Exodus 12:15, and here is what he says: Did you catch that, Adam Clark does not agree with you or Eliyahu at all in that the FIRST and LAST days of the seven day Feast are Holy convocations (Sabbaths). That would make the 15th day AND the 21st day of the 1st month BOTH Sabbaths. Hope that helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew: Clark doesn't say that the 21st is a Sabbath; that's your own interpretation of Clark's written words, but Clark does agree with Eliyahu that Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the first day of unleavened bread but your sure not going to accept Clark's reference though are you.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 7, 2023 12:35:49 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, here again you overlook something very important. How many days did they dwell in "booths?" Did they dwell 7 days in booths, and then go home for the 8th Great (Megas) day? Explain that to me, how did it work out back then? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, they did dwell in booths for seven days John 7:53 they went home which was the end of the 21st day, and Yah Messiah went to the Mount of Olives John 8:1, and on the morning of the 22nd Messiah went to the Temple where lengthy discussions happened through John chapter 8, and it was on this 22nd day Sabbath that Yah Messiah healed the blind man John 9:14,16. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=9&v=1&t=KJVI let the law of Moshe-Moses in Leviticus 23:34-36 and Numbers 29:12-35 to determine these dates because Yah Messiah would not have done less. Leviticus 23. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topNumbers 29. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topPS. Ken, I don't ignore any scriptures, and I don't ignore the law of Moses either, and regarding Numbers 10 the texts do not say they were traveling on the Sabbath, but even if they were it makes no different, because they also traveled on the 15th day Sabbath when they were set free from Egyptian slavery too.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 7, 2023 21:01:06 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu and Ron, here again you overlook something very important. How many days did they dwell in "booths?" Did they dwell 7 days in booths, and then go home for the 8th Great (Megas) day? Explain that to me, how did it work out back then? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, they did dwell in booths for seven days John 7:53 they went home which was the end of the 21st day, and Yah Messiah went to the Mount of Olives John 8:1, and on the morning of the 22nd Messiah went to the Temple where lengthy discussions happened through John chapter 8, and it was on this 22nd day Sabbath that Yah Messiah healed the blind man John 9:14,16. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=9&v=1&t=KJVI let the law of Moshe-Moses in Leviticus 23:34-36 and Numbers 29:12-35 to determine these dates because Yah Messiah would not have done less. Leviticus 23. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topNumbers 29. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topPS. Ken, I don't ignore any scriptures, and I don't ignore the law of Moses either, and regarding Numbers 10 the texts do not say they were traveling on the Sabbath, but even if they were it makes no different, because they also traveled on the 15th day Sabbath when they were set free from Egyptian slavery too. Shalom Eliyah, first, concerning the Israelites traveling on the 20th day of the month for a 3 day journey to find a place to rest, it is very obvious that they traveled on the 22nd day of the month, thereby traveling on YOUR lunar sabbath. Now, you have written this before on this thread: Now Eliyahu, here you are arguing that if they traveled or marched on the Sabbath it would be BREAKING the Sabbath. Why are you not consistent? Either they could march around Jericho on the Sabbath, or they couldn't travel from Sinai on the Sabbath. Which way should it be...either one or the other? Concerning the Last, Great (Megas) day of the Feast of Tabernacles being on the 21st day of the month OR the 22nd day of the month, let's consider some things. You agreed that they returned to their homes in John 7:53, and would not be dwelling in their booths in John 8. But see, King Solomon sent the people home from dwelling in their booths on the 23rd day of the month, which tells us that they did still dwell in their booths on the Last (8th) Great (Megas) day of the Feast (22nd day of the month). People came from near and far, and it was their booths that they dwelled in. There were no Super 8 motels to go to for the Last (8th) Great (Megas) day of the Feast, plus they didn't have cars or a FAST way to travel back to their homes, so that is WHY they stayed in their booths on the Last (8th) Great (Megas) Day of the Feast (22nd day of the month), and were sent back home ON the 23rd day of the month by King Solomon (2 Chr 7:10). Now, the only way John 7:53 can follow what King Solomon portrayed is that the Last, Great (Megas) Day of the Feast in John 7:37 was the Last 8th Great (Megas) Day of the Feast, on the 22nd day of the month. And that would make Yeshua healing the man born blind from birth on a WEEKLY Sabbath, and not YOUR lunar Sabbath. Do me a favor and compare these two Scriptures and tell me what is different about them other than it is TWO different Feasts? ( Ex 12:16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. ( Lev 23:39) Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto Yehovah seven days: on the first day [shall be] a sabbath, and on the eighth day [shall be] a sabbath.
Do you see any comparison? Like they BOTH have a FIRST day of the Feast that is a holy convocation/Sabbath, and ONE has a SEVENTH day, and ONE has an EIGHTH day. Are these SEVENTH and EIGHTH days, days of the week, or days of the Feast? Should be pretty easy to tell, isn't it? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. Are you and Ron (and families) going to come and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles with us this year? I don't have it worked out completely yet, but it should be free lodging at a beautiful Lodge near Farmington, MO. Think about it, and it sure would be nice to be keeping it on the same days. We could really fine tune some things.
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2023 8:25:26 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: You keep on trying to make the feast 8 days long which you know is not true.
Please stop trying to make this seven day feast as being 8 days long.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 8, 2023 9:07:01 GMT -5
Ken, your wrong above, and here's why. The feast of Tabernacles is also a "seven day" feast. Leviticus 23:34-36; Numbers 29:12-35 tells us that the feast of Tabernacles begins on the 15th day of the seventh month and is a seven day feast. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Num&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#topwww.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=23&v=1&t=KJV#topHere below are the "days" for ye to count with their texts that corresponds to the days. 15th day=Sabbath=Holy Convocation=1st day=Leviticus 23:35; Numbers 29:1216th day=2nd day of feast=Numbers 29:1717th day=3rd day of feast=Numbers 29:2018th day=4th day of feast=Numbers 29:2319th day=5th day of feast=Numbers 29:2620th day=6th day of feast=Numbers 29:2921st day=7th day and last day of feast=Numbers 29:32; John 7:3722nd day=Sabbath day=8th day=Holy Convocation Numbers 29:35=John 8:2=John 9:14,16The following day=22nd day, after the 21st day Yah Messiah went to the Temple because it was a Sabbath day John 8:2, and John 9:14 reveals the 22nd as the Sabbath day, and the same as Numbers 29:12-35. There is no Sabbath that falls between the 15th day and the 22nd day of the feast of Tabernacles. Ken, here above are the F.O.T. days as I have already shown you from the law of Moses, and as far as Numbers 10 compared to Joshua and Jeracho, the children of Israel were sent into a battle siege for seven consecutive days, and Yah would not send them into battle on a Sabbath day it looks like this below. New Moon= 1st the first day of the month=began marching around the city.2nd day of the month3rd day of the month4th day of the month5th day of the month6th day of the month7th day of the month=last day around the city8th day of the month a Sabbath
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 8, 2023 9:08:00 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: You keep on trying to make the feast 8 days long which you know is not true. Please stop trying to make this seven day feast as being 8 days long. Shalom Ron, in Judaism, they consider the 8th Great Day to be a separate holy day - yet connected to the previous 7 days: What you are not considering Ron is that BACK then, they were NOT returning to their homes at the end of the 21st day of the month, it was at the end of the 22nd day of the month, so that they RETURNED on the 23rd day of the month after Shemini Atzeret (the 8th Great Day). In modern times they might not dwell in their booths on the 8th Great Day, but with King Solomon, they did as the 8th Great Day was considered part of the seven days. One other thing you should consider is that the seven days of Tabernacles and the 8th Great Day are a "shadow" as Paul explains. The dwelling in a "booth" during the 7 days of the Feast is a picture or shadow of Elohim's People being redeemed FROM sin (Egypt), and THEN dwelling in Messiah as "The Booth" that is made out of "goodly branches" (His Saints) for the FIRST 7000 years/days of this Age. The 8th Great Day is a shadow of the 8th Millenium where ALL the rest of mankind is resurrected and COMMANDED to go up to Jerusalem (The City of the Saints and Messiah), and CELEBRATE the Feast of Tabernacles (START Dwelling in the Booth of Messiah and His Saints). This 8th Great Day is CONNECTED to the seven days of Tabernacles, but is a separate Feast day all in itself...The Last, 8th Great (Megas) day of the Feast). Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2023 9:15:12 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I really don't care what Judaism does today; and you weren't there in the time of Solomon either, and the texts tell us they had an assembly on the 8th day, it doesn't say that they stayed in booths for eight days either.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 8, 2023 9:21:37 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I really don't care what Judaism does today; and you weren't there in the time of Solomon either, and the texts tell us they had an assembly on the 8th day, it doesn't say that they stayed in booths for eight days either. Shalom Ron, well, the text of John 7:53 says nothing about staying in booths either, but Eliyahu indicated that they went to their homes on the 21st day of the month because he considered that to be the 7th day of the FOT. So when King Solomon sent the Israelites to their homes on the 23rd day of the month, would that not also indicate they stayed in their booths on the 22nd day of the month? It's just simple common sense Ron. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2023 9:28:29 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I've been observing a Saturday as my Sabbath; but since Eliyahu challenged me to look into this subject at least I'm also honest enough to admit that a Saturday Sabbath cannot be found in the scriptures. Now that's strange as I've said before, your here arguing against Eliyahu and the identifying days of the Sabbaths in the months, but you haven't shown any 'dates' that identify a Saturday as the Sabbath.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 8, 2023 9:34:32 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I really don't care what Judaism does today; and you weren't there in the time of Solomon either, and the texts tell us they had an assembly on the 8th day, it doesn't say that they stayed in booths for eight days either. Shalom Ron, well, the text of John 7:53 says nothing about staying in booths either, but Eliyahu indicated that they went to their homes on the 21st day of the month because he considered that to be the 7th day of the FOT. So when King Solomon sent the Israelites to their homes on the 23rd day of the month, would that not also indicate they stayed in their booths on the 22nd day of the month? It's just simple common sense Ron. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I did not indicate anything, but John wrote it in John 7:53, and the following day which is the 22nd is the appointed time Sabbath or eighth 8th day John 19:14,16 which agrees with Moses in the law.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 9:22:32 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I've been observing a Saturday as my Sabbath; but since Eliyahu challenged me to look into this subject at least I'm also honest enough to admit that a Saturday Sabbath cannot be found in the scriptures. Now that's strange as I've said before, your here arguing against Eliyahu and the identifying days of the Sabbaths in the months, but you haven't shown any 'dates' that identify a Saturday as the Sabbath. Shalom Ron, the Creation week 'dates' (day one though day seven) and the manna collection 'dates' of six work days with collecting a double portion on the sixth day, and then resting on the 7th day of the week, are the 'dates' you need to be looking at for the WEEKLY Sabbath command, not the lunar days of the month. No where in the Scriptures does it identify the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of EVERY month to be the 'dates' of Sabbath days. That is just conjecture and misapplying of the Scriptures to come to that conclusion. You should have stuck with the 'dates' established by Creation Week and The Manna. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 9:31:07 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, well, the text of John 7:53 says nothing about staying in booths either, but Eliyahu indicated that they went to their homes on the 21st day of the month because he considered that to be the 7th day of the FOT. So when King Solomon sent the Israelites to their homes on the 23rd day of the month, would that not also indicate they stayed in their booths on the 22nd day of the month? It's just simple common sense Ron. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I did not indicate anything, but John wrote it in John 7:53, and the following day which is the 22nd is the appointed time Sabbath or eighth 8th day John 19:14,16 which agrees with Moses in the law. Shalom Eliyahu, first, you did 'say' the following which I thought you were trying to indicate something: So, you did indicate they WENT HOME at the END of the 21st day, and John mentions NOTHING about what day of the month it was, that is ALL what YOU are indicating, NOT John. John does not say the next day was the 22nd day of the month, that again is YOUR speculation and what YOU are trying to indicate, NOT John. If we go by King Solomon, the Israelites went home on the 23rd day of the month, and IT DOES specifically tell us a day of the month, NOT any speculation or 'indication' as you have done with John 7 & 8. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Ron on Mar 9, 2023 11:47:48 GMT -5
Your wrong ImAHebrew and you won't accept the scriptures that plainly identify the Sabbaths in the first and seventh month. This text by Moses absolutely identifies the 15th day and the 22nd day as being Sabbaths in the seventh month. We know that the preparation day is on the 14th day of the first month, and John identifies the next following day which would be the 15th day as a Sabbath day. So you really cannot give us a scripture that identifies a Saturday as the Sabbath. In these two months above the 15th days are Sabbaths; which would also put the Sabbaths on 8th, 22nd, and 29th as Eliyahu has shown in the scriptures.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 9, 2023 11:58:37 GMT -5
Ken, I did not indicate anything, but John wrote it in John 7:53, and the following day which is the 22nd is the appointed time Sabbath or eighth 8th day John 19:14,16 which agrees with Moses in the law. Shalom Eliyahu, first, you did 'say' the following which I thought you were trying to indicate something: So, you did indicate they WENT HOME at the END of the 21st day, and John mentions NOTHING about what day of the month it was, that is ALL what YOU are indicating, NOT John. John does not say the next day was the 22nd day of the month, that again is YOUR speculation and what YOU are trying to indicate, NOT John. If we go by King Solomon, the Israelites went home on the 23rd day of the month, and IT DOES specifically tell us a day of the month, NOT any speculation or 'indication' as you have done with John 7 & 8. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, Moses makes it very clear that the 15th day and the 22nd days are Sabbaths in the seventh month as Ron has already given above, but like always you simply choose to ignore the scriptures that is given to you, and I'm not speculating in giving Moses's own written words, and I find it appalling that you would think that Yah Messiah was not doing as Moses wrote.
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Post by Billy on Mar 9, 2023 12:11:57 GMT -5
ImAHebrew do you recognize the words full moon in these texts?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 17:15:41 GMT -5
Your wrong ImAHebrew and you won't accept the scriptures that plainly identify the Sabbaths in the first and seventh month. This text by Moses absolutely identifies the 15th day and the 22nd day as being Sabbaths in the seventh month. We know that the preparation day is on the 14th day of the first month, and John identifies the next following day which would be the 15th day as a Sabbath day. So you really cannot give us a scripture that identifies a Saturday as the Sabbath. In these two months above the 15th days are Sabbaths; which would also put the Sabbaths on 8th, 22nd, and 29th as Eliyahu has shown in the scriptures. Shalom Ron, it is the EXACT opposite of what you are saying. Elohim calls the 15th day of the First and Seventh MONTHS as Sabbaths (and NOT weekly 7th day Sabbaths), and because He broke out those TWO months from the other months, then the other months 15th day will not be Sabbaths (weekly or High Day Sabbaths). It's just common sense. Moses identifies the FIRST day of the First and Seventh months FEASTS Days, as Sabbaths (15th day of the TWO months), and he also identifies the SEVENTH Day of ULB as a Sabbath (21st day of the First month), and the EIGHTH Day of Tabernacles as a Sabbath (22nd day of the Seventh Month). What i have just presented is precisely what Moses wrote about. Moses NEVER wrote or calls the Seventh Day mentioned in Exo 12:16 the 22nd day of the month, that is YOUR private WRONG interpretation. I had asked that the TWO following Scriptures be compared, in that the FIRST day refers to the First day of the Feast, and then the Seventh Day and Eighth Day ALSO refers to days of the Feast. None of these days in context refer to days of the week as YOUR private WRONG interpretation requires: Now tell me Ron, should you not call ALL of these days (all four of them), Feast Days? Why do you make "in the seventh day" a day of the week, while the other three days are FEAST days. Be consistent Ron. The ONLY reason to change the Seventh Day to be a day of the week is because of YOUR false lunar Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 9, 2023 17:44:31 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I didn't call them the lunar Sabbaths you did and Moses does not call the seventh day of unleavened bread the Sabbath but you do, and that's your private interpretation about Moses's own words, and the truth is that the 15th day of every Biblical month is a weekly seventh day Sabbath and you haven't shown us where in the scriptures that your false Saturday falls or is identified either, and maybe you should consult the Talmud and the Jews to tell you where they're at in the Bible.
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