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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 4, 2023 18:17:19 GMT -5
And in these next texts you have to look and compare the texts of Exodus 13:6; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17, and compare of the Hebrew word number Strong's H2282-CHAG to see that Moses in Exodus 13:6 is calling the 15th day of the first month Abib --THE SEVENTH DAY (of the week). The texts here: www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJV
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 4, 2023 18:59:38 GMT -5
Ken, your delusion of the word "UNTIL" the seventh day-the 21st.
Ken, ye can't argue against the texts of scriptures I gave ye above, and NO the first day is the 15th and the 22nd is the SEVENTH day of the week, PERIOD, as the texts above do prove, because the word "UNTIL" does not mean "THROUGH" either.
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Post by Ron on Dec 4, 2023 19:03:23 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: What are you going to do; keep copy and pasting over to lo-whammi with partial responses? LOL.
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Post by G-yg-y on Dec 4, 2023 19:10:24 GMT -5
And in these next texts you have to look and compare the texts of Exodus 13:6; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17, and compare of the Hebrew word number Strong's H2282-CHAG to see that Moses in Exodus 13:6 is calling the 15th day of the first month Abib --THE SEVENTH DAY (of the week). The texts here: www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJV I've known all along that the 15th day of the first month is the seventh day Sabbath and this cements it for me.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 5, 2023 9:40:26 GMT -5
No Ken, the Passover lamb was not kept up until the 13th of the month, the text you quoted plainly says to keep the Passover lamb up UNTIL the 14th day of the moon, and it's killed in the evening. However, in Exodus 12:15 last part it says whosoever eats LEAVENED BREAD from "the first day/15th UNTIL the seventh day" and unleavened bread is not just only eaten UNTIL the beginning of the 21st day or seventh day of the feast, unleavened bread is eaten for a full seven days until the beginning of the 22nd day. And besides, Moses makes it very clear in these texts of Exodus 13:6; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17, and compare of the Hebrew word number Strong's H2282-CHAG to see that Moses in Exodus 13:6 is calling the 15th day of the first month Abib --THE SEVENTH DAY (of the week). The texts here: www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJV
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Post by Ron on Dec 5, 2023 14:18:25 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Why do you write up your own scenario and then try to palm it off onto or attribute it to the belief of others?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 5, 2023 15:45:30 GMT -5
Here below is the calendar days referenced by Moses with identifying texts of scriptures to identify the new moon, the six working days, and the seventh day Sabbaths in the first lunar month.
1st day of the month=New Moon day/Isaiah 66:23; Ezekiel 46:1 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=six working days=Ezekiel 46:1 8th=first seventh day Sabbath 9th 10th day=Exodus 12:3 11th 12th 13th 14th=Exodus 12:6; Leviticus 23:5; Numbers 28:16=six working days 15th day=F.D.O.U.B.=seventh day of the week Sabbath Exodus 13:6; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17; John 19:31; Luke 23:54-56 16th=wave sheaf 17th=3rd day of U.B. 18th=4th day of U.B. 19th= 5th day of U.B. 20th=6th day of U.B. 21st=last day of U.B.=six working days 22nd=last part of Exodus 12:15=seventh day of the week a Sabbath 23rd 24th 25th 26th 27th 28th=six working days 29th=Sabbath
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 6, 2023 10:52:50 GMT -5
Ken's reply, No Ken, it's your own false interpretations about the word "UNTIL" that ye keep conjuring up and trying to palm them off on me, and as Ron would say, you killing whole rain forests of scriptures doing so won't help your case any. This text says, In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. Leviticus 23:5 www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=at+even&sstr=0&t=KJVAnd Exodus 13:6 is not referring to the seventh day of the feast either, because Moses uses the Hebrew word number H2282=CHAG in this text, and the "CHAG=H2282" is on the 15th day of the first month, see Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28;17, and Moses calls this 15th day "the seventh day". www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJVNow please show us a text that tells us that "the CHAG=H2282" is on the 21st day of the first month?? PS: I thought that ye had wiped off your feet with me, then why are ye still conversing with me? Another white lie? Your problem is that ye can't be honest with the scriptures anymore when the truth is pointed out to ye, and the word "UNTIL" does not mean "THROUGH" either as ye would like to think.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 6, 2023 12:14:32 GMT -5
Greetings and shalom to everyone who visits to read. I wanted to better clarify a scripture or two that those like Ken and others misunderstand because of their own traditions of observing the feast of unleavened bread for many years. The feast of unleavened bread is seven full days in duration- see Exodus 13:7; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17. First, I'm going to dissect Exodus 12:15 exactly as Moses wrote it. Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:. Moses first states that unleavened bread is to be eaten for a full seven days, and leavened bread is to be put out of the houses before the first day-or the 15th day begins at evening. Imagine that the seven days have already passed as Moses wrote. Then Moses writes: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day(14th day at evening) until the seventh day(22nd day begins), that soul shall be cut off from Israel.. Question: How can a person eat leavened bread from the first day-the 15th day until the seventh day without eating leavened bread ON the seventh day of a seven day feast? Ye can't! Ye see, Moses is NOT talking about the seventh day of the feast, Moses is talking about the "seventh day of the week-the 22nd day of the first month Abib. How do we know this ye may ask? Because of this text of scripture by Moses: In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18Looks like this below in calendar format. 15th day=first day of the feast. 16th day=second day of feast. 17th day=third day of feast. 18th day=fourth day of feast. 19th day=fifth day of feast. 20th day=sixth day of feast. 21st day=the seventh and last day of the feast at even. 22nd day=the seventh day of the week=last part of Exodus 12:15. The seventh day Sabbaths are in red above and the seventh days of each week. Ye see, if you only eat unleavened until the seventh day of a seven day feast, then your not really eating unleavened bread for a full seven days as the scripture tells us. Shalom, Eliyahu C. The texts of scriptures for references, www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=one+and&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=fifteenth+day&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=unleavened+bread&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=seventh+day&sstr=0&t=KJVHey Ken, these texts of scriptures plainly tells us that U.L.B. is to be eaten from the end evening of the 14th day to the end evening of the 21st day, and whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day the 15th day until the seventh day the 22nd day of the first month that soul shall be cut off from Israel, and these texts don't leave you with any wiggle room either.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 7, 2023 9:44:46 GMT -5
Ken's response again, Ken look inside and outside your post for my reply to ye.And I've asked ye over and over again to show us examples in the scriptures of HOW and WHEN does a Satyr-day occur and can be determined in a lunar month? However, ye simply ignore this question over and over again that I've asked of you. Why is that? Also, the CHAG=H2282 sacrifice is on the 15th day of the first lunar month and here below are those texts in the Strong's Concordance. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJV&sstr=0As anyone can SEE in the blue and underlined color, the "SEVENTH DAY" in Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the 15th day chag=H2282 of the first month, which is the seventh day Sabbath and first day of U.L.B, and it's NOT in reference to the seventh day or 21st day of the feast.
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Post by Ron on Dec 7, 2023 10:59:44 GMT -5
ImaHebrew: You talk about extra days how about the 4 extra weeks and the 4 extra Saturdays, and 5 weeks that are in the Gregorian calendar and where are there examples of them in the Bible? Eliyahu has proven by the scriptures in his above posting that the week and the seventh day written by Moses is within the lunar month. And from one new moon to another new moon Isaiah 66:23 there can only be four consecutive weeks with four Sabbaths and not five weeks with five Sabbaths as is with the Gregorian calendar.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 7, 2023 11:21:29 GMT -5
ImaHebrew: You talk about extra days how about the 4 extra weeks and the 4 extra Saturdays, and 5 weeks that are in the Gregorian calendar and where are there examples of them in the Bible? Eliyahu has proven by the scriptures in his above posting that the week and the seventh day written by Moses is within the lunar month. And from one new moon to another new moon Isaiah 66:23 there can only be four consecutive weeks with four Sabbaths and not five weeks with five Sabbaths as is with the Gregorian calendar. Yea Ron, and if Ken or anyone else doesn't believe it, then click on the 12/7/23 clock icon at the bottom of their computer, there are 5 Satyr-days on the 2nd, 9th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th on the Roman-Julian-Gregorian calendar, there is no way to fit 5 Sabbaths within a scriptural lunar month.
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Post by Ron on Dec 7, 2023 13:31:17 GMT -5
Ken's response again, Ken look inside and outside your post for my reply to ye.And I've asked ye over and over again to show us examples in the scriptures of HOW and WHEN does a Satyr-day occur and can be determined in a lunar month? However, ye simply ignore this question over and over again that I've asked of you. Why is that? Also, the CHAG=H2282 sacrifice is on the 15th day of the first lunar month and here below are those texts in the Strong's Concordance. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2282&t=KJV&sstr=0As anyone can SEE in the blue and underlined color, the "SEVENTH DAY" in Exodus 13:6 is in reference to the 15th day chag=H2282 of the first month, which is the seventh day Sabbath and first day of U.L.B, and it's NOT in reference to the seventh day or 21st day of the feast. Philo says this about the 15th day of the first month and the 15th day of the seventh month.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 10, 2023 11:26:33 GMT -5
Ken's response again,Ken, ye asked,
It's a simple answer Ken, it's because Yah and Moses singles out this 15th day as in Leviticus 23:6 and Numbers 28:17 as the first day of the CHAG, and Moses specifically calls the 15th day "the seventh day" in Exodus 13:6 and this ye cannot deny or get around it, even as Philo above wrote in the first century that Ron has pointed out.
Ken, I know that your desperate in trying to disprove Yah's scriptural calendar, but it's futile, I know, because 45 years ago I tried every way to prove that satyr-day was the Biblical Sabbath, and I soon found out that the word "saturday" and "a continuous weekly cycle" is nowhere to be found in the scriptures, and in scriptural fact, by Yah's NEW MOON DAY it interrupts His four week weekly cycle, and which disproves a "continuous uninterrupted weekly cycle" as Constantine's calendar.
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Post by Ron on Dec 19, 2023 14:01:46 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: You wrote this..
And this..A continuous cycle of weeks cannot produce the Passover falling on the 14th day of the first month in every year as can be proven and shown in the scriptures. I have two questions for you. What additional days are you talking about here above? And: Can you show me an example in the scriptures of how a continuous weekly cycle is not broken by the new moon day every month?
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Post by Ron on Dec 19, 2023 14:05:50 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: A continuous cycle of weeks cannot produce the Passover falling on the 14th day of the first month in every year as can be proven and shown in the scriptures. I have two questions for you. What additional days are you talking about here above? And: Can you show me an example in the scriptures of how a continuous weekly cycle is not broken by the new moon day every month?
Ps I messed my post up above and I cannot re-edit it.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 19, 2023 14:19:38 GMT -5
Ron, I fixed your post above for ye.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 19, 2023 14:42:30 GMT -5
ImaHebrew: You talk about extra days how about the 4 extra weeks and the 4 extra Saturdays, and 5 weeks that are in the Gregorian calendar and where are there examples of them in the Bible? Eliyahu has proven by the scriptures in his above posting that the week and the seventh day written by Moses is within the lunar month. And from one new moon to another new moon Isaiah 66:23 there can only be four consecutive weeks with four Sabbaths and not five weeks with five Sabbaths as is with the Gregorian calendar. Ron, Ken did not address this post of yours either, I'm thinking that he can't address it, but you last question above is a good one for him to answer, as there can be no continuous weeks, because The All Mighty Yah's NEW MOON day breaks such an idea.
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Post by Ron on Dec 25, 2023 17:27:39 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: These are your words...
Boy that was a bad trick that those Jewish Rabbis's played on the Old King James Translators wasn't it? So says the Karaite Jew named Nehemia Gordon; it's too bad that he didn't provide any proof though, and it's too bad that you merely accept his own word for it without any proof or documentation isn't? That might fool those without knowledge about this, but not those who do know.
I think this statement will clear that up..For Nehemia Gordon to says that these Scholars had to depend on Jewish Rabbis to translate the Massoretic texts is sheer stupidity on his part, and even more stupidity on your part to blindly believe him. And regarding Joshua 5:10-11 here is
The 14th day of the first Hebrew lunar month could never be a Sabbath, because it's always the sixth day and preparation for the 15th day Sabbath in the Bible, and what you are saying is that a seventh day Sabbath can and did fall on a workday of the week-which is impossible to happen because of the new moon which begins and determines the monthly days every month in the Bible.
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Post by Ron on Dec 25, 2023 17:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by Ron on Dec 25, 2023 17:59:17 GMT -5
Imahebrew: Regarding this P.S. of yours... There is no place in the Bible where we are told to divide a solar year into continuous weeks of seven days; because such an idea and teaching does devoid Yahovah's commanded new moon day which begins every month and the 4 weeks anew each month, and the very fact that the new moon-first day of the month is observed in the scriptures disproves a continuous seven day weeks divided into a solar year as the Babylonians and the Romans use, and still do today. The seven day week coexisted with the A-H eight day market week in the first few centuries until Constantine adopted it in 321, and before that, Saturn's day was the first day of the planetary week; and this stick calendar found in The Trajan’s Baths 79-81 A.D. is proof of the fact. dayology.com/2017/03/24/the-trajans-baths-parapegma/
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 25, 2023 20:09:04 GMT -5
Ken, your repeat posts again, look inside in red and outside your post for my answers.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 26, 2023 10:49:48 GMT -5
Ken, your repeated post again here. Why do ye keep repeating the same old posts over and over again? You repeating, and repeating it doesn't make it true. Ken, Nehemiah Gordon referring to Joshua 5:11 here above, then the scriptures will prove this to be false, first of all, Joshua 5:10 plainly tells us that the children of Israel kept the Passover on the 14th day of the first lunar month, and it does NOT say that they kept A SABBATH on the 14th day of the first lunar month, and to do so, would be lying against the texts of scriptures. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=5&t=KJV#11Second, Joshua 1:11 states this: www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=1&v=11&t=KJV&sstr=0And Joshua 4:19 tells us this: www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jos&c=4&v=19&t=KJV#19Here below are these "days" outlined in calendar format, the new moon day is in bold black, the six workdays are in blue, and the Sabbath in red. See Ezekiel 46:1-4. New Moon=1st day of the first month 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=Preparation day=sixth day of the week/Joshua 1:11 8th day of month=Sabbath day 9th 10th/Joshua 4:19 11th 12th 13th 14th=Passover 15th day= both feast of unleavened bread and the seventh day Sabbath The children of Israel crossed Jordan on the 10th day of the first lunar month Abib, and were commanded three days earlier on the 7th day of the month to do a work of preparation- or to make food. This proves that the "seventh" day of the week was on the 8th day of the first lunar month and was the Sabbath. These texts also disproves Nehemiah Gordon's ""perpetual cycle"", because if the 14th day of the first lunar month was a Sabbath, then so was the 7th day of the first lunar month, preparing food on a Sabbath was and is not permitted, and the scriptures calls this 7th day of the month as a preparation of food-a workday. I already covered this on the very FIRST page of this thread.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 26, 2023 11:08:50 GMT -5
Ken, This is merely your own opinion ABOUT Joshua 5:11, nothing is said in these texts about the WAVE SHEAF, and nothing is said in these texts about the 14th day Passover being a Sabbath either.
Concerning the wave sheaf in Leviticus 23 is referring to AFTER the children of Israel is given their inheirtance of the land, and a wave sheaf of THEIR OWN PLANTED and grown crops and REAPING OF THEIR OWN CROPS, and not an offering to Yah of the caanites crops, and this is WHY the wave sheaf is NOT mentioned in Joshua 5:11-12.
The scriptures disproves both you and Gordon, and it's sad that ye would accept this man's word for anything, because he doesn't even believe in Yah Messiah.
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Post by Ron on Dec 26, 2023 12:35:34 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: If there is 'a continuous weekly cycle that Elohim established' you should be able to prove it and show us examples of it in the Bible? Neither the book of Genesis nor Exodus 16 proves a 'continuous weekly cycle,' but the book of Exodus 16 does prove that the Sabbaths are on the 15th and the 22nd of the second month. However I want others who read to know where and how the planetary week came to be used; and what the planetary week looked like before 321 AD. Saturn was the first day of the week from at least 600 B.C. In 321 A.D. Rome worshipped Mithra, the Persian version of the pagan sun god. W Constantine is universally given credit for "venerating the day of the sun", but no one tells you EXACTLY what that really means. I will be honest with the evidence where others have not.
In order to keep their sun god from being #2 to saturn, Constantine venerated the day of the sun, elevating the day of the sun to the #1 position of the seven day pagan planetary week (the one in use today), moving up all the days of the week by one column, bumping saturn's day from the first position to the end of the line or seventh day position.
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Post by Ron on Dec 26, 2023 13:29:00 GMT -5
It's assumed by Saturday Sabbatarians that the book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole is talking about a 'a continuous weekly cycle 'where the year is divided into weeks of seven days each; but the Bible does not talk about continuous weekly cycles. And as Eliyahu has pointed out of Yahovah's own calendar and week begins from the new moon in the spring of the first Hebrew month in Exodus 12. As Yahovah Himself speaks about His own calendar days of worship in Isaiah 66:23.From new moon to new moon; and from Sabbath week to Sabbath week. If Saturday Sabbatarians would put the 'new moon' back into its own position as its purpose was commanded by Yahovah instead of trying to overlay it with the planetary week which ignores it; then they would understand that Yahovah's own week is within His lunar month and not exempt or indipendant from it. The moon's phases is on a 7 day week interval is not accidental; the Creator designed it this way on purpose, and man cannot touch or tinker with the moon.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 26, 2023 13:45:11 GMT -5
Ron,
I see that you've been doing your homework looking into the modern week.
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Post by Ron on Dec 26, 2023 13:59:50 GMT -5
Eliyahu: You challenged me to research this issue and challenges is something that gets under my skin and I just have to find out for myself whether it's true or not. So I've been searching into the Biblical calendar ever since your challenge.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 26, 2023 14:28:19 GMT -5
Ken,
Ron was merely giving ---Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary biblehub.com/commentaries/kad/joshua/5.htm
about Joshua 5:11, but you failed to point that out didn't ye, you also did not give the Commentary's full quote either, and ye did not give their address on LO-AMMI either did ye? I'm sure ye did that on purpose though hmm? Your a dishonest clik Ken.
I maybe wrong, but I doubt that Ron has fully made up his mind about the true scriptural Sabbath sanctified by Yah, but I do have to speak with others who may not be on the same level as I on this issue.
BTW, you've already broken your word about "wiping your feet off with me" when ye responded back to my post the other day, so ye may as well come back over here and respond instead of trying to fool others on LO-AMMI with partial and half quotes of Ron and myself, because it makes you look more dishonest to others.
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Post by Ron on Dec 26, 2023 14:59:36 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: If there is 'a continuous weekly cycle that Elohim established' you should be able to prove it and show us examples of it in the Bible? Neither the book of Genesis nor Exodus 16 proves a 'continuous weekly cycle,' but the book of Exodus 16 does prove that the Sabbaths are on the 15th and the 22nd of the second month. However I want others who read to know where and how the planetary week came to be used; and what the planetary week looked like before 321 AD. Saturn was the first day of the week from at least 600 B.C. In 321 A.D. Rome worshipped Mithra, the Persian version of the pagan sun god. W Constantine is universally given credit for "venerating the day of the sun", but no one tells you EXACTLY what that really means. I will be honest with the evidence where others have not. In order to keep their sun god from being #2 to saturn, Constantine venerated the day of the sun, elevating the day of the sun to the #1 position of the seven day pagan planetary week (the one in use today), moving up all the days of the week by one column, bumping saturn's day from the first position to the end of the line or seventh day position. Here is another article from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.
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