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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 17:58:03 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, first, you did 'say' the following which I thought you were trying to indicate something: So, you did indicate they WENT HOME at the END of the 21st day, and John mentions NOTHING about what day of the month it was, that is ALL what YOU are indicating, NOT John. John does not say the next day was the 22nd day of the month, that again is YOUR speculation and what YOU are trying to indicate, NOT John. If we go by King Solomon, the Israelites went home on the 23rd day of the month, and IT DOES specifically tell us a day of the month, NOT any speculation or 'indication' as you have done with John 7 & 8. Hope this helps. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, Moses makes it very clear that the 15th day and the 22nd days are Sabbaths in the seventh month as Ron has already given above, but like always you simply choose to ignore the scriptures that is given to you, and I'm not speculating in giving Moses's own written words, and I find it appalling that you would think that Yah Messiah was not doing as Moses wrote. Shalom Eliyahu, no argument, the 15th and 22nd days of the Seventh month are "High Day" (Megas) Sabbaths (John 7:37 & John 19:31), NOT weekly Sabbaths. And you have not explained PROPERLY how the 23rd day and NOT the 21st day of the Seventh month is WHEN King Solomon sent the people home. So John 7:53, IF you follow the PATTERN established by King Solomon, was having the people go home the end of the 22nd, NOT the end of the 21st as YOU privately interpret. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. There is NO Scripture written by Moses that speaks about the Seventh Day of Tabernacles being the Last, Great (Megas) day of the Feast, period! But we are told by Jude about the Great (Megas) day of Judgment: And that aligns with the resurrection of ALL of mankind on the 8th day for the judgment on that Great Day of Yehovah: So the LAST, Great (Megas) Day is the 8th day, not the 7th day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 9, 2023 18:02:25 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I didn't call them the lunar Sabbaths you did and Moses does not call the seventh day of unleavened bread the Sabbath but you do, and that's your private interpretation about Moses's own words, and the truth is that the 15th day of every Biblical month is a weekly seventh day Sabbath and you haven't shown us where in the scriptures that your false Saturday falls or is identified either, and maybe you should consult the Talmud and the Jews to tell you where they're at in the Bible. Ron, Ken will argue about which days that he THINKS are Sabbaths but he can't show us where a Saturday is identified in the scriptures. Maybe he thinks that Moses simply forgot to mention Rome's Saturday.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 18:04:43 GMT -5
ImAHebrew do you recognize the words full moon in these texts? Shalom Billy, welcomed to the fray. Yes, I fully recognize that the annual, 15th day High Sabbaths of ULB and Tabernacles are also FULL MOON days. But just to reiterate, nowhere in Scripture does it state the full moon of EVERY month is a weekly 7th day Sabbath. The sun determines when the days of the week end and begin, NOT the moon, so the weekly 7th day Sabbath is in no way connected to the full moon. That's just utter nonsense. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 18:10:55 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I didn't call them the lunar Sabbaths you did and Moses does not call the seventh day of unleavened bread the Sabbath but you do, and that's your private interpretation about Moses's own words, and the truth is that the 15th day of every Biblical month is a weekly seventh day Sabbath and you haven't shown us where in the scriptures that your false Saturday falls or is identified either, and maybe you should consult the Talmud and the Jews to tell you where they're at in the Bible. Ron, Ken will argue about which days that he THINKS are Sabbaths but he can't show us where a Saturday is identified in the scriptures. Maybe he thinks that Moses simply forgot to mention Rome's Saturday. Shalom Eliyahu, I can show you just as well as you can show me that the 8th and 29th days of every month are weekly 7th day Sabbaths. It is just as easy to show that Saturday is the Sabbath, as to show those days are weekly 7th day Sabbaths. So, you show me where Moses or any other writer of the Scriptures calls the 8th or 29th days of the months as Sabbaths, and then I might try a little harder to find the word Saturday in the Scriptures. Otherwise, stop asking questions that promotes me asking you to do the same. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Ron on Mar 9, 2023 18:13:19 GMT -5
ImAHebrew what's utter nonsense as you say is believing that Moses used Constantine's seven day week; and has cycled all the way back to Creation and then never being able to find it in the Bible at all.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 18:15:36 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I didn't call them the lunar Sabbaths you did and Moses does not call the seventh day of unleavened bread the Sabbath but you do, and that's your private interpretation about Moses's own words, and the truth is that the 15th day of every Biblical month is a weekly seventh day Sabbath and you haven't shown us where in the scriptures that your false Saturday falls or is identified either, and maybe you should consult the Talmud and the Jews to tell you where they're at in the Bible. Shalom Ron, Exo 12:16 AND Lev 23:39 doesn't give you any wiggle room to call the Seventh day of ULB anything other THAN the Seventh day of the FEAST, NOT the Seventh day of the week. Sorry! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 9, 2023 18:20:29 GMT -5
Ron, Ken will argue about which days that he THINKS are Sabbaths but he can't show us where a Saturday is identified in the scriptures. Maybe he thinks that Moses simply forgot to mention Rome's Saturday. Shalom Eliyahu, I can show you just as well as you can show me that the 8th and 29th days of every month are weekly 7th day Sabbaths. It is just as easy to show that Saturday is the Sabbath, as to show those days are weekly 7th day Sabbaths. So, you show me where Moses or any other writer of the Scriptures calls the 8th or 29th days of the months as Sabbaths, and then I might try a little harder to find the word Saturday in the Scriptures. Otherwise, stop asking questions that promotes me asking you to do the same. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew Ken, I have shown you, when the 15th and 22nd days are identified as Sabbaths then so are the 8th and 29th days, and you can't nor you haven't shown us where your's and Rome's satyrday is found in the scriptures, and of course you have to keep on asking me to show you, when I already have, like your a blind fool to keep disobeying Yah and Moses.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 9, 2023 18:23:41 GMT -5
Shalom Guys, I think it is time for me to take leave as there really isn't anything more to prove. But I will leave a present for you, a parable that I call "The Boxing Brothers." Enjoy! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
P.S. You both should really take me up on the Feast of Tabernacles and maybe I could help hone your boxing skills.
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Post by Ron on Mar 9, 2023 18:25:42 GMT -5
ImAHebrew you don't have any wiggle room as you say because you can't find Rome's Saturday found in Moses nor any of the Disciples of Christ writings either.
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Post by Ron on Mar 9, 2023 18:33:53 GMT -5
ImAHebrew who would want to go to a feast with a dishonest Pharisee like John 8 who won't accept the truth of the scriptures? And about all you can box and bounce is lies about a worldly Saturday tradition of men.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 9, 2023 18:42:51 GMT -5
ImAHebrew do you recognize the words full moon in these texts? Shalom Billy, welcomed to the fray. Yes, I fully recognize that the annual, 15th day High Sabbaths of ULB and Tabernacles are also FULL MOON days. But just to reiterate, nowhere in Scripture does it state the full moon of EVERY month is a weekly 7th day Sabbath. The sun determines when the days of the week end and begin, NOT the moon, so the weekly 7th day Sabbath is in no way connected to the full moon. That's just utter nonsense. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, if the sun determines the days of the week then show us an example of it in the scriptures of HOW this is done? You've killed whole rain forest of scriptures so far but you haven't shown us nor proven it.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 9, 2023 19:55:05 GMT -5
Yea folks, this is what happened on Lo-Ammi Forum, Ken and Spying are the two brothers, Bluto and Brutus, they only fought with their own ideas ABOUT the scriptures, but Eliyahu C. the Popeye scripture quoting man used only the scriptures to quote, so the brothers when they thought they had woken up, they thought to throw the old Scripture quoting man out of the ring of Lo-Ammi Forum, but Popeye Eliyahu C. the scriptures quoting man merely made his own ring or forum, and the brothers come to spar, and leave beaten to a pulp, yea, let He who has ears, let him hear and understand.
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Post by Ron on Mar 25, 2023 11:46:47 GMT -5
Eliyahu: I've not been able to post to this thread until now; but I've been investigating this subject further to verify which of the two great lights in Genesis 1:14-15 that determines the festival days or appointed times. First: I will quote Psalms 104:19 again. Next: I will quote Leviticus 23:1-3. These texts by the LORD and Moses tells us that the seventh day Sabbath is a feast or appointed time festival. Also: I have found another 2nd witness to this; that the moon does indeed determine the festivals or the appointed times and here it is. So the moon does indeed determine the feasts-or the appointed times of the LORD.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 25, 2023 12:07:36 GMT -5
Eliyahu: I've not been able to post to this thread until now; but I've been investigating this subject further to verify which of the two great lights in Genesis 1:14-15 that determines the festival days or appointed times. First: I will quote Psalms 104:19 again. Next: I will quote Leviticus 23:1-3. These texts by the LORD and Moses tells us that the seventh day Sabbath is a feast or appointed time festival. Also: I have found another 2nd witness to this; that the moon does indeed determine the festivals or the appointed times and here it is. So the moon does indeed determine the feasts-or the appointed times of the LORD. Ron, I didn't know about this one you quoted great work my friend. It's also interesting that it says the moon is a SIGN of a festival day, because all of the Sabbaths are also a SIGN too in Exodus 31:13-17. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=a+sign&sstr=1&t=KJV
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Post by Ruby on Mar 25, 2023 14:48:09 GMT -5
Shalom Guys, I think it is time for me to take leave as there really isn't anything more to prove. But I will leave a present for you, a parable that I call "The Boxing Brothers." Enjoy! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. You both should really take me up on the Feast of Tabernacles and maybe I could help hone your boxing skills. That would be typical of you because the Bible is a game to you it seems.
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Post by Ron on Mar 25, 2023 15:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 25, 2023 15:54:27 GMT -5
Ron, here is a quote from the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious knowledge that I have and it's on the net. ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc10/encyc10/Page_135.htmlOf course the first=1st or New Moon day was not a Sabbath or counted as one of the six working days Ezekiel 46:1-3, although he still recognizes that the 8th, 15th, and 22nd days of each month are Sabbaths.
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Post by Ron on Mar 25, 2023 16:05:35 GMT -5
Ron, here is a quote from the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious knowledge that I have and it's on the net. ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc10/encyc10/Page_135.htmlOf course the first=1st or New Moon day was not a Sabbath or counted as one of the six working days Ezekiel 46:1-3, although he still recognizes that the 8th, 15th, and 22nd days of each month are Sabbaths. I can't hardly believe that this religious Encyclopedia actually states this; but they do, you should have shown this to ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 25, 2023 16:15:19 GMT -5
Ron, I have already shown the quote above to both Ken and Spying his brother on Lo-Ammi forum years ago, it's posted there, and I've always said, if a person won't accept 2 witnesses of scriptures, they will not accept a thousand witnesses.
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Post by Ron on Mar 26, 2023 6:34:21 GMT -5
Shalom Guys, I think it is time for me to take leave as there really isn't anything more to prove. But I will leave a present for you, a parable that I call "The Boxing Brothers." Enjoy! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew P.S. You both should really take me up on the Feast of Tabernacles and maybe I could help hone your boxing skills. ImAHebrew: If your implying that Eliyahu and myself are brothers your mistaken, and a second thing is; that you don't really quote the scriptures itself, you read your own interpretations into the texts as you did by telling us that we sacrificed Christ, which the new testaments says no such thing.
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Post by Ron on Mar 26, 2023 9:34:50 GMT -5
Eliyahu and ImAHebrew: I found this article attesting as to when the planetary week was first being used. They say that there were two distinct the Jews week, and the planetary week, and they show a calendar 'week' which the 'first day of the week is Saturn' in the first planetary week.
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Post by Ron on Mar 26, 2023 9:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 26, 2023 11:23:59 GMT -5
Ken, if you come by again, you wrote this Here is the John 7:37 texts in the Strong's, G1161 In G1722 the last G2078 day, G2250 that great G3173 day of the feast, G1859 Jesus G2424 stood G2476 and G2532 cried, G2896 saying, G3004 If G1437 any man G5100 thirst, G1372 let him come G2064 unto G4314 me, G3165 and G2532 drink. G4095 www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=great+day&t=KJVAs ye can see, the word "day" that is AFTER the word "GREAT or MEGAS=G 3173" was added by the translators, it's not in the Greek text, and G3173 Megas=Great is used all over the New Testament scriptures see for yourself here. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3173&t=KJVBesides, the word "day" is in John 19:31, and John calls the 15th day of the first lunar month, the Sabbath, and John does NOT call 'the last great day of the feast of tabernacles" the Sabbath, and that's because it's not because as Moses in Numbers 29:12-35 there is no Sabbath on the last day of tabernacles either.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 9, 2023 7:37:02 GMT -5
Shalom folks, I found this written article on "Linked-in" an astounding admission by a PHD Denis O'Callaghan and I thought that I would post it here.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 9, 2023 7:46:34 GMT -5
And a response article below it.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Nov 23, 2023 14:19:02 GMT -5
Greetings and shalom to everyone who visits to read. I wanted to better clarify a scripture or two that those like Ken and others misunderstand because of their own traditions of observing the feast of unleavened bread for many years. The feast of unleavened bread is seven full days in duration- see Exodus 13:7; Leviticus 23:6; Numbers 28:17. First, I'm going to dissect Exodus 12:15 exactly as Moses wrote it. Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:. Moses first states that unleavened bread is to be eaten for a full seven days, and leavened bread is to be put out of the houses before the first day-or the 15th day begins. Imagine that seven days have already passed as Moses wrote. Then Moses writes: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.. Question: How can a person eat leavened bread from the first day-the 15th day until the seventh day without eating leavened bread ON the seventh day of a seven day feast? Ye can't! Ye see, Moses is NOT talking about the seventh day of the feast, Moses is talking about the "seventh day of the week-the 22nd day of the first month Abib. How do we know this ye may ask? Because of this text of scripture by Moses: In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18Looks like this below in calendar format. 15th day=first day of the feast. 16th day=second day of feast. 17th day=third day of feast. 18th day=fourth day of feast. 19th day=fifth day of feast. 20th day=sixth day of feast. 21st day=the seventh and last day of the feast at even. 22nd day=the seventh day of the week=last part of Exodus 12:15. The seventh day Sabbaths are in red above and the seventh days of each week. Ye see, if you only eat unleavened until the seventh day of a seven day feast, then your not really eating unleavened bread for a full seven days as the scripture tells us. Shalom, Eliyahu C. The texts of scriptures for references, www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=one+and&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=fifteenth+day&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=unleavened+bread&t=KJVwww.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=seventh+day&sstr=0&t=KJV
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 3, 2023 14:38:04 GMT -5
Well folks, I guess Ken thought that this was meant for him, it was meant to a responder on youtube, however, Ken, see inside and outside of your post below for my answers.[/COLOR][/FONT]Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yehovah thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein]. The very CLEAR and OBVIOUS interpretation of this verse is that ON the seventh day of the Feast (21st day of the month), after eating unleavened bread for six days, we have a Sabbath on the seventh day of eating unleavened bread. So, THEIR private interpretation of Exo 12:15 is completely in error...the seventh day of that verse is the seventh day of the Feast, not the seventh day of the week. Hope this helps to establish this very important point that needs to be addressed every so often. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.[/QUOTE] So to you nothing stops or changes when ye see the word "UNTIL" in this verse? Really? Also, this text of Exodus 12:15 last part is talking about LEAVENED bread and not about UNLEAVENED bread, so let's look at another scripture that uses the word "UNTIL" but there are many.
And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. Exodus 12:10 So according to you then it would INCLUDE the morning, and not "UNTIL" the morning, and does this sound logical to you? When the word "UNTIL" is used in a verse that means something stops and changes, and the word "UNTIL" in these verses means "UP TO or BEFORE" that point in time.
Yes, I contend that the feast is a full seven day event, and not six days as ye use Moses words to contradict yourself and the scriptures, and yes, I contend that Moses is not speaking about the seventh day of the feast in Exodus 12:15, because you can't eat leavened bread for a full seven days beginning with the 15th day through the 21st day without eating leavened bread "UNTIL" the seventh day of a seven day feast itself, it's impossible.
Also, you accuse me of not explaining the scriptures as it's written, and when I do, then ye call it my private interpretation, but when ye do it, it's not your own private misinterpretation, and your problem is that ye can't lunar monthly date identify your's and Rome's SATYR-day sabbath in the scriptures and using the scriptures as I have shown you, and that is because Moses and Messiah was NOT using the Roman Constantine calendar in use today, and I think that was the reason that Guyguy pointed out to ye that the "EASTER" custom is proof of Rome's calendar change from using the moon to determine the 14th day Passover, as it did with all of Yah's calendar dates.
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Post by Ron on Dec 3, 2023 17:20:57 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: You quoted Moses in Deuteronomy 16:8 and said this above.
However, Moses wrote in Deuteronomy 16:3-4. It's very clear that the feast is seven days, and no leavened bread can be eaten for the entire seven days. Here below is what you seem to be advocating in the calendar days format with the feast days in the color blue.
15th/1st day of the feast.
16th/2nd day of the feast.
17th/3rd day of the feast
18th/4th day of the feast.
19th/5th day of the feast.
20th/6th day last day of eating unleavened bread--until the seventh or 21st day and last day of the feast?? Exodus 12:15??
This cannot be correct because your only eating unleavened bread for only six days and not a full seven days, and Moses does not write 'until the 21st day'. If Moses in Exodus 12:15 means up until the seventh day of the feast; then your not eating U.L.B. on the 7th and last day of the feast.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 4, 2023 16:43:35 GMT -5
Yea Ron, it's been awhile, your correct above, and Ken's idea would look like this in horizontal calendar format. 15th=1st day 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day=UNTIL the seventh=7th day begins at even=Exodus 12:15 = the 21st day? ?? As anyone can see, if Moses were referring to UP TO or UNTIL the seventh day or the 21st day of the feast, no ye would not be eating U.L.B. for a full seven days as the scriptures command to do, and the word "UNTIL" does not mean "on" or "through" it means UP TO or UNTIL that point in time in the context of these verses.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Dec 4, 2023 17:22:01 GMT -5
It's my point and the scriptures point that NO leavened bread can be eaten during the entire period of the seven days of U.L.B. and ye can't have it in your dwelling for a FULL 14th day at even through the 21st day at even. The texts, www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=no+leavened+bread&t=KJVAnd my point is that Exodus 12:15 last part says for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day UNTIL the seventh day if it means for UP UNTIL the seventh day or the beginning of the 21st day of the feast, that's not a full seven days, however, if Moses means the 7th day of the week=UNTIL the 22nd then that does fit with the entire seven days of the feast.
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