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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:05:54 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Why not make us a calendar of 1 through 30 days as Eliyahu did above and show us the scriptures that identify and determine that Saturday is the seventh day Sabbath? Yea Ken, please make us a calendar with texts of scriptures that identify your satyrday sabbath? And please we want the scriptures that identifies the satyrdays, and not a calendar made up of your own modern day feasts with the satyrdays added with it as ye have done in the past. Shalom Eliyahu, I have made you two calendars in the past, with Scriptures that identify the Sabbath should be EVERY seven days. Now, I have told you that WHEN the New Moon is sighted, which ever day of the week it is, that day will be the 1st day of the month. IF it is sighted on Saturday evening, then Sunday is the first day of the month, and THEN the 7th day of the month will be a Saturday Sabbath, NOT the 8th day. That's how it works and it should be easy enough for you to follow. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:08:53 GMT -5
Shalom Dear Eliyahu, please note that I desire you to be as a brother, but for that to happen, we need to agree. Now, I am pretty good at reading into what people write, and when you wrote this: This is how I READ you: Ok, so I saw your challenge, and I know there would be NOTHING you would be able to present that would destroy my belief in a Wednesday Crucifixion, so I told you: Now, you were unwilling to "go for it," and instead, you asked a question in YOUR pursuit of wasting my time: Instead of SHOWING me YOUR proof, you started PLAYING your GAMES asking me to give YOU proof about what I KNOW and BELIEVE. That is YOUR MOA, tell us YOU have PROOF, and THEN ask us to give you OUR Proof. I called you out on it and what did you do? You acted like I wouldn't answer YOUR question. Then you SWITCHED gears and asked me a different question: Ok, so I give you a VERY detailed answer to YOUR question, but look what happens, you challenge me by asking ANOTHER question, telling me something is MISSING from my answer: Can you imagine that? Something was missing from my answer! Well, here was my response: So I tell you NOTHING was left out of my answer, and then you switch gears again and ask another NEW question: Oh boy, now we are back to the OLD Eliyahu, asking the same question over and over again. Have you forgotten? I thought you had a "photographic" memory? So, my answer is that you cannot TELL which of the seven days is the Saturday Sabbath, unless you KNOW what day of the week the 1st day of the month fell on. Here is an EXAMPLE of a calendar that SHOWS when the 7th Day of the Week (Saturday Sabbath) can fall BETWEEN the TWO ANNUAL High Sabbaths Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which will DESTROY your Lunar Sabbath: So Eliyahu, as you can see IF you are HONEST and SINCERE, in this EXAMPLE, the WEEKLY Saturday 7th Day Sabbath falls on the 18th day of the Lunar Month, and THAT destroys YOUR Lunar Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. ImAHebrew this calendar above of your's does not have any scriptural texts that identify Saturday as being the true Sabbath day. There are no corresponding scriptural texts that go along with a Saturday, why? Shalom Ron, well, you do not have any Scriptures that identify the 8th or 29th days of the months as being Sabbaths. Sometimes you have to use a little logic and common sense. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:11:39 GMT -5
Why won't you answer the forum Administrator's question? Which year was the crucifixion? Shalom Ron, well, my best guess is Wednesday, April 3rd, 30 ad, but don't hold me to it. I determined that from here: י״ד בְּנִיסָן ג׳תשצ״בBlessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Why won't you answer the forum Administrator's question? Which year was the crucifixion? Hi Ruby, Yea, I'm still waiting for an answer from Ken, because the 14th day Passover and the year of the crucifixion as been hotly disputed for centuries. Shalom Eliyahu, you didn't see my answer? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:17:10 GMT -5
Shalom Ron and Ruby, I didn't see that Ruby had written what I thought Ron had written, so please accept my apologies. Hopefully you two and figure out my answers to each of you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 17, 2023 16:18:39 GMT -5
Ken, no you changed my meaning of a scriptural calendar to your own idea of a calendar and added in a modern satyrday, I'm asking for a scriptural calendar with corresponding texts of scriptures that are dates identifying your satyrday as the sabbath?
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Post by Ron on Feb 17, 2023 16:26:38 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, well, my best guess is Wednesday, April 3rd, 30 ad, but don't hold me to it. I determined that from here: י״ד בְּנִיסָן ג׳תשצ״בBlessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Hi Ruby, Yea, I'm still waiting for an answer from Ken, because the 14th day Passover and the year of the crucifixion as been hotly disputed for centuries. Shalom Eliyahu, you didn't see my answer? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew ImAHebrew: What is this at the top given of the website you gave? www.hebcal.com/converter?hd=14&hm=Nisan&hy=3792&h2g=1
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Post by Ron on Feb 17, 2023 16:35:43 GMT -5
ImAHebrew why would I have to, Eliyahu has already done that above? I don't see any texts of scriptures that prove Saturday is the Sabbath in your calendar above at all why is that?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 17, 2023 16:41:06 GMT -5
Ron, I can't help but laugh, because most of the Jewish and Christians can't live without the calendar of the BEAST, I call it the beast week.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:44:52 GMT -5
Ken, no you changed my meaning of a scriptural calendar to your own idea of a calendar and added in a modern satyrday, I'm asking for a scriptural calendar with corresponding texts of scriptures that are dates identifying your satyrday as the sabbath? Shalom Eliyahu, YOUR calendar, with YOUR scriptural proofs, is no better than what I gave you. It all boils down to if YOUR interpretations of the Scriptures are correct, because you do not have ONE single Scripture that states the 8th or the 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why do you keep asking me to give you Scriptures that state Saturday is the Sabbath, and you refuse to give me any Scriptures that state the 8th or 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why ask me something that you are not willing to do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.l
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 17, 2023 16:50:05 GMT -5
Shalom Ron, boy, I have to be careful as sometimes I can't see who made the original post that I am responding to. Now didn't you read my answer? My answer was predicated upon what was at the top of the website. There are other websites that make a stab also, but what I look for is Nissan 14 falling on a WEDNESDAY. That is my benchmark to even entertain the possibility that someone has it correct. So, if you guys have Nissan 14 falling on a WEDNESDAY, I might consider YOUR guess. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 17, 2023 16:53:15 GMT -5
Ken, no you changed my meaning of a scriptural calendar to your own idea of a calendar and added in a modern satyrday, I'm asking for a scriptural calendar with corresponding texts of scriptures that are dates identifying your satyrday as the sabbath? Shalom Eliyahu, YOUR calendar, with YOUR scriptural proofs, is no better than what I gave you. It all boils down to if YOUR interpretations of the Scriptures are correct, because you do not have ONE single Scripture that states the 8th or the 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why do you keep asking me to give you Scriptures that state Saturday is the Sabbath, and you refuse to give me any Scriptures that state the 8th or 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why ask me something that you are not willing to do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.l Ken, oh yes I have given them to ye, when the 15th day and 22nd day are identified as Sabbaths, then so are the 8th and 29th days of both the first, second, and seventh lunar month, but ye are too dishonest to admit it. Hmm, why did ye not include the 15th and the 22nd days above?
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Post by Ron on Feb 17, 2023 16:59:40 GMT -5
Ken, no you changed my meaning of a scriptural calendar to your own idea of a calendar and added in a modern satyrday, I'm asking for a scriptural calendar with corresponding texts of scriptures that are dates identifying your satyrday as the sabbath? Shalom Eliyahu, YOUR calendar, with YOUR scriptural proofs, is no better than what I gave you. It all boils down to if YOUR interpretations of the Scriptures are correct, because you do not have ONE single Scripture that states the 8th or the 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why do you keep asking me to give you Scriptures that state Saturday is the Sabbath, and you refuse to give me any Scriptures that state the 8th or 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why ask me something that you are not willing to do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.l ImAHebrew: Oh yes Eliyahu's calendar above have scriptures with their dates and your calendar have no scriptures, and that makes a huge difference.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 17, 2023 17:06:41 GMT -5
And Ken, ye should be careful in calling Ron a "boy" because he was smart enough to figure out your CON calendar above, I can't help but smile.
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Post by Ron on Feb 17, 2023 17:30:02 GMT -5
And Ken, ye should be careful in calling Ron a "boy" because he was smart enough to figure out your CON calendar above, I can't help but smile. Eliyahu I appreciate the compliment; but I give Christ and His Spirit the credit, and I'm seeing how important this calendar issue really is to true believers and truth seekers.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 17, 2023 17:47:40 GMT -5
And Ken, ye should be careful in calling Ron a "boy" because he was smart enough to figure out your CON calendar above, I can't help but smile. Eliyahu I appreciate the compliment; but I give Christ and His Spirit the credit, and I'm seeing how important this calendar issue really is to true believers and truth seekers. Ron, in this case you've surely earned it, I'm sure Ken is probably scouring the internet for other sources regarding the 14th day crucifixion of Yah Messiah, ye see, most everyone uses a solar calendar to find the date of the crucifixion, but the fact is, that ancient Israel and Yah Messiah used a lunar/solar year, their are 354 days in a lunar year, and the only way to find the true date is by using the moon, Israel's lunar year will not truly line up with Rome's solar only calendar, and this is WHY no modern Jewish or Christian dates can be trusted, because Rome did not use the Jesuit Christopher Clavis Gregorian calendar, Rome had an 8 day market week calendar in the time of Messiah.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 18, 2023 9:34:05 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, YOUR calendar, with YOUR scriptural proofs, is no better than what I gave you. It all boils down to if YOUR interpretations of the Scriptures are correct, because you do not have ONE single Scripture that states the 8th or the 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why do you keep asking me to give you Scriptures that state Saturday is the Sabbath, and you refuse to give me any Scriptures that state the 8th or 29th days of the months are always Sabbaths. Why ask me something that you are not willing to do? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.l Ken, oh yes I have given them to ye, when the 15th day and 22nd day are identified as Sabbaths, then so are the 8th and 29th days of both the first, second, and seventh lunar month, but ye are too dishonest to admit it. Hmm, why did ye not include the 15th and the 22nd days above? Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, oh boy, here we go again. A dog chasing it's tail. You assume that the 15th and 22nd days of the first, second, and seventh lunar months are WEEKLY Sabbaths. First off, the ONLY set 22nd day of the month as a Sabbath, is the seventh lunar month for the 8th Great Day Sabbath of Tabernacles. Show me the Scriptures where it writes that the 15th and 22nd days of ANY months are WEEKLY Sabbaths? See, you take the seventh day of ULB and turn that Feast day into meaning it is the 7th day of the week, and then you take the Last Great Day of Tabernacles (the 8th Great Day) and turn it into the 7th day of the week also. Total inconsistency! Look at Lev 23:36 in speaking about offerings made by fire during the Feast of Tabernacles: ( Lev 23:36) ‘For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to Yehovah. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to Yehovah; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work. So for seven days of the Feast, offerings by fire were presented, THEN on the eight day (The Eighth Great Day of the Feast-22nd day of 7th month) is a holy convocation and offerings by fire is presented. Why mention this 8th day of the Feast is a Sabbath, when according to you, it was ALREADY a 7th day WEEKLY Sabbath? Do you think Yehovah didn't REMEMBER that this 22nd day of the month was a WEEKLY Sabbath, and that is why He told them to have a Sabbath on the 8th day of the Feast? And don't get me going on how you butcher the 7th day of ULB to NOT be a Sabbath. Lastly, YOUR calendar uses several Scriptures from John which proves Saturday is the Sabbath, can you pick them out? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 10:19:14 GMT -5
Ken, oh yes I have given them to ye, when the 15th day and 22nd day are identified as Sabbaths, then so are the 8th and 29th days of both the first, second, and seventh lunar month, but ye are too dishonest to admit it. Hmm, why did ye not include the 15th and the 22nd days above? Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, oh boy, here we go again. A dog chasing it's tail. You assume that the 15th and 22nd days of the first, second, and seventh lunar months are WEEKLY Sabbaths. First off, the ONLY set 22nd day of the month as a Sabbath, is the seventh lunar month for the 8th Great Day Sabbath of Tabernacles. Show me the Scriptures where it writes that the 15th and 22nd days of ANY months are WEEKLY Sabbaths? See, you take the seventh day of ULB and turn that Feast day into meaning it is the 7th day of the week, and then you take the Last Great Day of Tabernacles (the 8th Great Day) and turn it into the 7th day of the week also. Total inconsistency! Look at Lev 23:36 in speaking about offerings made by fire during the Feast of Tabernacles: ( Lev 23:36) ‘For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to Yehovah. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to Yehovah; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work. So for seven days of the Feast, offerings by fire were presented, THEN on the eight day (The Eighth Great Day of the Feast-22nd day of 7th month) is a holy convocation and offerings by fire is presented. Why mention this 8th day of the Feast is a Sabbath, when according to you, it was ALREADY a 7th day WEEKLY Sabbath? Do you think Yehovah didn't REMEMBER that this 22nd day of the month was a WEEKLY Sabbath, and that is why He told them to have a Sabbath on the 8th day of the Feast?
And don't get me going on how you butcher the 7th day of ULB to NOT be a Sabbath. Lastly, YOUR calendar uses several Scriptures from John which proves Saturday is the Sabbath, can you pick them out? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrewKen, sure Yah Elohim knew the 15th and 22nd are Sabbaths, but he had it written down for future generations to remember them and restore them back as in the time of Hilkiah, and MY CALENDAR ABOVE does not have a satyrday sabbath, but the one that I drew out of your's above does.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 10:30:45 GMT -5
And Ken, I didn't butcher the 7th day of unleavened bread, ye seem to think that YOU can eat unleavened bread for a full SEVEN DAYS/7th days and not eat unleavened bread UNTIL the seventh 7th day.
I can't help it that ye don't understand the Hebrew texts.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 18, 2023 11:08:18 GMT -5
And Ken, I didn't butcher the 7th day of unleavened bread, ye seem to think that YOU can eat unleavened bread for a full SEVEN DAYS/7th days and not eat unleavened bread UNTIL the seventh 7th day. I can't help it that ye don't understand the Hebrew texts. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, yes, those Hebrew texts can be difficult for some. Take for instance the word "until." Exodus 12:15 states that leaven could not be eaten from the first day UNTIL the seventh day. YOUR explanation is that "UNTIL the seventh day" would not INCLUDE the seventh day, so this seventh day cannot be the seventh day of ULB, but rather the seventh day of the week. In your heart, to know that is wrong. So, how does UNTIL work out for these verses: ( Ex 12:6) And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. (So the Passover Lambs would not be kept THROUGH or INTO the 14th day, but ONLY up UNTIL the beginning of the 14th day?) ( Ex 12:18) In the first [month], on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. (So Unleavened Bread would only be eaten up UNTIL the 21st day of the month, and NOT THROUGH or INTO it? In reality here with YOUR Hebrew interpretation they would only be eating unleavened bread for six days?)
And this is the verse you butcher: ( Ex 12:15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (From the FIRST day UNTIL the Seventh day would INCLUDE it to be the Seventh Day of the Feast, and NOT exclude it from the Feast, period.)It seems Eliyahu that you have a "floating" Hebrew vocabulary so that a word can be used differently, depending on what you interpret to follow your bias beliefs about the false Lunar Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 11:54:26 GMT -5
Well Ken, here is exactly what I mean in calendar format below of the 14th day through to the 22nd day of the first lunar month. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exo&c=12&v=1&t=KJV#topSeven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day(15th) until the seventh day(of the week)(22nd), that soul shall be cut off from Israel Exodus 12:15www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=seventh+day&t=KJV14th day Passover end even begins U.B. 15th day=1st day of U.B. 16th=2nd day of U.B. 17th=3rd day of U.B. 18th=4th day of U.B. 19th=5th day of U.B. 20th=6th day of U.B. 21st=7th day=last day of U.B. to the following end evening UNTIL the 22nd=THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK Unleavened bread is eaten from the end evening of the 14th day through to the 21st day at end evening, and anyone who eats leavened bread from first day, the 15th day, through to the end evening of the 21st day, UNTIL the SEVENTH DAY=22nd day shall be cut off from Israel.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 12:04:58 GMT -5
And Ken, there is nothing about Yah's Calendar "floating" but the Roman Gregorian calendar surely does "FLOAT" as you have seen from your first calendar that the 17th would be a satyrday, and the calendar that ye offered this time the 18th was a satyrday, and this is impossible on Yah's Calendar, please see the three 3 types of days in Ezekiel 46:1-3.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 18, 2023 12:11:29 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, oh boy, here we go again. A dog chasing it's tail. You assume that the 15th and 22nd days of the first, second, and seventh lunar months are WEEKLY Sabbaths. First off, the ONLY set 22nd day of the month as a Sabbath, is the seventh lunar month for the 8th Great Day Sabbath of Tabernacles. Show me the Scriptures where it writes that the 15th and 22nd days of ANY months are WEEKLY Sabbaths? See, you take the seventh day of ULB and turn that Feast day into meaning it is the 7th day of the week, and then you take the Last Great Day of Tabernacles (the 8th Great Day) and turn it into the 7th day of the week also. Total inconsistency! Look at Lev 23:36 in speaking about offerings made by fire during the Feast of Tabernacles: ( Lev 23:36) ‘For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to Yehovah. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to Yehovah; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work. So for seven days of the Feast, offerings by fire were presented, THEN on the eight day (The Eighth Great Day of the Feast-22nd day of 7th month) is a holy convocation and offerings by fire is presented. Why mention this 8th day of the Feast is a Sabbath, when according to you, it was ALREADY a 7th day WEEKLY Sabbath? Do you think Yehovah didn't REMEMBER that this 22nd day of the month was a WEEKLY Sabbath, and that is why He told them to have a Sabbath on the 8th day of the Feast?
And don't get me going on how you butcher the 7th day of ULB to NOT be a Sabbath. Lastly, YOUR calendar uses several Scriptures from John which proves Saturday is the Sabbath, can you pick them out? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrewKen, sure Yah Elohim knew the 15th and 22nd are Sabbaths, but he had it written down for future generations to remember them and restore them back as in the time of Hilkiah, and MY CALENDAR ABOVE does not have a satyrday sabbath, but the one that I drew out of your's above does. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, here is YOUR calendar showing the Scriptures from John, and I will highlight them in teal: ( Jn 19:14) And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! ( Jn 19:42) There laid they Yeshua therefore because of the Jews’ preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand. ( Jn 19:31) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, ( for that sabbath day was an high (Megas) day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away. So what does YOUR calendar show? It shows that the PREPARATION was for the Feast (Passover), and NOT necessarily a WEEKLY Sabbath. How can it be proven that this PREPARATION day was NOT for the WEEKLY Sabbath? Well, a couple of things. First, John would not need to specify that it WAS a PREPARATION of the Passover, if he was thinking this was the PREPARATION for the weekly Sabbath. Secondly, John would not have call THIS Sabbath a High Day UNLESS he was thinking that it was the FIRST High Day of ULB, and NOT necessarily a WEEKLY Sabbath. Thirdly, Lunar Sabbatarians take ANOTHER Scripture from John, where John calls the LAST day of the Feast of Tabernacles, a High Day (Great/Mega Day), and THEY/YOU teach that John is calling the LAST day of the seven days of Tabernacles, this "Mega" Day, and NOT calling it the 8th Great/Mega Day. Take a look: ( Jn 7:37) In the last day, that great (Megas) [day] of the Feast, Yeshua stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. Now, you SWITCH what "Megas" day means (you have it meaning with ULB, a weekly + High Day Sabbath), to where this "Megas" day is ONLY the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles (7th day of the Feast) a "work" day, and NOT the 8th Great Day, High Day Sabbath of the Feast. You do this because the man born blind from birth was healed on a Sabbath day. You have to make it that the day following Yeshua standing up and crying out, would be the Last Great/Megas Day of the Feast (The 8th Great Day + YOUR lunar sabbath). Why? Because you need to have YOUR lunar sabbath falling the next day AFTER Yeshua spoke, because the man born blind from birth was healed on the Sabbath. IF the Sabbath was the day Yeshua stood and cried out, then the healing of the man born blind from birth could not on the Sabbath. Do you see now how the Saturday Sabbath works out so well? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 18, 2023 12:21:47 GMT -5
Well Ken, here is exactly what I mean in calendar format below of the 14th day through to the 22nd day of the first lunar month. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exo&c=12&v=1&t=KJV#topSeven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day(15th) until the seventh day(of the week)(22nd) (Baloney! This is the Seventh Day of the Feast NOT the week.), that soul shall be cut off from Israel Exodus 12:15www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=seventh+day&t=KJV14th day Passover end even begins U.B. 15th day=1st day of U.B. 16th=2nd day of U.B. 17th=3rd day of U.B. 18th=4th day of U.B. 19th=5th day of U.B. 20th=6th day of U.B. 21st=7th day=last day of U.B. to the following end evening UNTIL the 22nd=THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK Unleavened bread is eaten from the end evening of the 14th day through to the 21st day at end evening, and anyone who eats leavened bread from first day, the 15th day, through to the end evening of the 21st day, UNTIL the SEVENTH DAY=22nd day shall be cut off from Israel. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, oh boy, here we go again. Did you not "see" that YOUR interpretation of the word " until" does not WORK as YOU want it to? How do you explain the other verses that use UNTIL? You KNOW you are in error about this Eliyahu! Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew ( Ex 12:6) And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. ( So the Passover Lambs would not be kept THROUGH or INTO the 14th day, but ONLY up UNTIL the beginning of the 14th day?) ( Ex 12:18) In the first [month], on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. ( So Unleavened Bread would only be eaten up UNTIL the 21st day of the month, and NOT THROUGH or INTO it? In reality here with YOUR Hebrew interpretation they would only be eating unleavened bread for six days?) And this is the verse you butcher: ( Ex 12:15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. ( From the FIRST day UNTIL the Seventh day would INCLUDE it to be the Seventh Day of the Feast, and NOT exclude it from the Feast, period.)
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 18, 2023 12:34:07 GMT -5
And Ken, there is nothing about Yah's Calendar "floating" but the Roman Gregorian calendar surely does "FLOAT" as you have seen from your first calendar that the 17th would be a satyrday, and the calendar that ye offered this time the 18th was a satyrday, and this is impossible on Yah's Calendar, please see the three 3 types of days in Ezekiel 46:1-3. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, do you not believe there are 4 types of days? Type 1: Sabbaths. Type 2: New Moons. Type 3: Work Days. Type 4: Extended Days (not work day or new moon days). So how many do you think you have? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. Also, I said NOTHING about a "calendar" floating. You probably misread what I wrote. I said that YOUR interpretation of WORDS "float" to different meanings, like with the word "until."
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 12:42:08 GMT -5
Ken, I've already answered your questions regarding the first lunar month above and the 15th day is the Sabbath both feast and weekly, and John 7 will prove and identify that the Sabbaths in the seventh lunar month are on the 15th and 22nd days.
Now, I'm asking YOU to point out where in scriptures that identify your satyrday as the sabbath? And do you really believe that Moses and Yah Messiah followed and used the Roman calendar?
You see Ken, all satyrday sabbath observers will argue against Yah's scriptural calendar, trying to find errors to it, and they try to interpret it like ye did with the Roman calendar, but NONE, and I mean NONE of them will show us in the scriptures how a satyrday sabbath is found, and how it is determined in the lunar months, can and will you show us?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 12:52:07 GMT -5
Ken, I did INCLUDE IT in my calendar representation above, and my question to you is this,
1.How could anyone eat leavened bread UNTIL the seventh day of a seven day feast without eating leavened bread on the seventh day of a seven day feast?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 13:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 18, 2023 13:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by ImAHebrew on Feb 19, 2023 8:24:05 GMT -5
Ken, I did INCLUDE IT in my calendar representation above, and my question to you is this, 1. How could anyone eat leavened bread UNTIL the seventh day of a seven day feast without eating leavened bread on the seventh day of a seven day feast? Shalom Eliyahu, let's try to put this to bed. You teach the seventh day of both Exo 12:15 & 16 is speaking about the seventh day of the week, and NOT the seventh day of the feast. In both verses it speaks about the first day, and do you not consider that is the first day of the Feast, and NOT the first day of the week? Then, why isn't the seventh day, the seventh day of the feast? Here are the two Scriptures in question again: Ex 12:15 - 12:16
(15) Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. (YOUR interpretation that THIS seventh day is the seventh day of the week is false, it is the seventh day of the Feast.) (16) And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. (Again, YOUR interpretation that THIS seventh day is the seventh day of the week is false, it is the seventh day of the Feast, and this seventh day of the Feast is a High Day Sabbath, the 21st day of the month.)Eliyahu, the seventh day of the feast IS the 21st day of the month, and THIS day is a High Day Sabbath, NOT necessarily a weekly 7th day Sabbath. YOUR private interpretation that the word UNTIL means to the BEGINNING of the seventh day is proven wrong by the other two Scriptures that uses this word UNTIL:(Ex 12:6) And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. (So the Passover Lambs would not be kept THROUGH or INTO the 14th day, but ONLY up UNTIL the beginning of the 14th day?) (Ex 12:18) In the first [month], on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. (So Unleavened Bread would only be eaten up UNTIL the 21st day of the month, and NOT THROUGH or INTO it? In reality here with YOUR Hebrew interpretation they would only be eating unleavened bread for six days?)
Please Eliyahu, come on, let's be together and honestly interpret the Scriptures. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Feb 19, 2023 9:39:35 GMT -5
Well Ken, here is exactly what I mean in calendar format below of the 14th day through to the 22nd day of the first lunar month. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exo&c=12&v=1&t=KJV#topSeven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day(15th) until the seventh day(of the week)(22nd), that soul shall be cut off from Israel Exodus 12:15www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=seventh+day&t=KJV14th day Passover end even begins U.B. 15th day=1st day of U.B. 16th=2nd day of U.B. 17th=3rd day of U.B. 18th=4th day of U.B. 19th=5th day of U.B. 20th=6th day of U.B. 21st=7th day=last day of U.B. to the following end evening UNTIL the 22nd=THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK Unleavened bread is eaten from the end evening of the 14th day through to the 21st day at end evening, and anyone who eats leavened bread from first day, the 15th day, through to the end evening of the 21st day, UNTIL the SEVENTH DAY=22nd day shall be cut off from Israel. Ken, this calendar format SHOWS that there are 7 days of the feast of U.B. and not six, and if I remember correctly, it was ye that argued for there being 6 days of U.B. on Lo-Ammi before. These two texts above PROVE that U.B. is eaten for a full seven days beginning at the end of the 14th day, and ending at the end of the 21st day UNTIL the 22nd which is called the seventh day(of the week) by Moshe.
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