|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 2, 2022 12:24:47 GMT -5
And Ken, the book of Revelation is a book of REVEALING, and NOT a book of concealing, and if the beast was merely sinful man, then John would have wrote it so, but he did not. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, so the book of Revelation is a book that reveals everything plainly? Then why would Messiah say on multiple occasions: " He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches?" Or why would the seven thunders that had uttered their voices not be allowed by John to be written, but to "seal" up those things? I would agree that it is a Book of REVEALING, but for ONLY those who have ears to hear, so that it is not "sealed" to them. Do you have "hearing ears" Eliyahu, or do you just look at the "plain" text and take it verbatim? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, the texts plainly tell us that the beast is kings and kingdoms, and I've already given ye these texts above from both Daniel and John in Revelation. Also, I have no problem with someone giving their own opinion about the scriptures, however, when your opinions contradict other whole texts of scriptures own given meanings that is a different matter, and I don't promote or insist that others must accept my own opinion ABOUT the scriptures ABOVE or instead of the scriptures either.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 3, 2022 13:05:21 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you are close. In simpler terms, you BUY with or through YOUR Faith or Belief, and even though Messiah does not mention the "selling" of Gold tried in the fire, that can be done. The selling of the Gold tried in the fire is done with or through the LACK of Faith (falling away-having your faith shipwrecked). Hopefully you can see this simple explanation. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, your ideas sound like Mark 7:11, the free gifts of Yah Elohim including faith are free gifts and cannot be bought or sold, and this is proven in Acts 8:20, and to do so is to diminish them. Shalom Eliyahu, so faith that comes by hearing is a free gift, and has nothing to do with the believer working their faith...it is completely a "free gift?" Well then tell me, how would you respond to the Apostle Paul's and the Apostle James' words? Rom 10:8-17 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; (9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Yehovah Yeshua, and shalt believe in thine heart that Elohim hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Yehovah over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yehovah shall be saved. (14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (16) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Yehovah, who hath believed our report? (17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of Elohim.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Messiah Yehovah Yeshua, in the sight of Elohim and our Father;2Th 1:3 We are bound to thank Elohim always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity (love) of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
Jas 2:14 & 17 What doth it profit (buy or gain), my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead (if it's dead, it won't buy or gain a thing), being alone.Eliyahu, didn't Messiah WORK His faith by giving up ALL (selling) that of what He had, to become a man, with HOPE that the riches and glory He had before could be bought or gained by Him, in FULFILLING Love? You see, buying and selling is done BY faith, yet faith profits (buys or gains) nothing if it is not accompanied by WORKS and LOVE, and this is what He was trying to convey to the Believers at Laodicea. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 3, 2022 16:00:11 GMT -5
Ken, none of these texts tell us to buy and sell the gifts given of Elohim, because a gift is not a gift if it's bought or sold, your teaching confusion that a gift can be bought, and your sounding like the worldly TV ministers when they say-quote unquote.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 3, 2022 16:10:47 GMT -5
Ken, when ye buy the Truth Proverbs 23:23; John 14:6 Who is Yah Messiah, He then gives you all of the treasures of Heaven, the free gift of His faith, grace, righteousness, salvation, and eternal life.
Yah Messiah said. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev.3:18.
Yah Messiah is the gold tried in the fire, He is rich in Heavenly treasures, only He can cloth you in white raiment, which is His righteousness, and only He can really anoint or open your eyes to see clearly.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 9, 2022 9:13:09 GMT -5
Ken, when ye buy the Truth Proverbs 23:23; John 14:6 Who is Yah Messiah, He then gives you all of the treasures of Heaven, the free gift of His faith, grace, righteousness, salvation, and eternal life. Yah Messiah said. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev.3:18. Yah Messiah is the gold tried in the fire, He is rich in Heavenly treasures, only He can cloth you in white raiment, which is His righteousness, and only He can really anoint or open your eyes to see clearly. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, so as far as you are concerned, it is impossible to ALSO BUY the TREASURES of Wisdom, Discipline, and Understanding as we are told to do so in Proverbs 23:23? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction (discipline), and understanding.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 9, 2022 15:42:14 GMT -5
Ken,
Yah Messiah are all of these, and without Him we cannot attain them.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 10, 2022 8:27:46 GMT -5
Ken, Yah Messiah are all of these, and without Him we cannot attain them. Shalom Eliyahu, you are sounding like someone else I know. You previously have stated:Ok, let's analyze your interpretations. You can buy the Truth (who is Yah Messiah) and then He gives you a bunch of free gifts that you cannot buy. You quote Messiah where He asks to BUY from (of) Him " gold tried in the fire," and then you state " Yah Messiah is the gold tried in the fire." Well, I guess that you are a little consistent in that you state Truth (Yah Messiah) can be bought, and that Yah Messiah " the gold tried in the fire" can be bought. My questions to you are, "How do YOU buy, HOW do you purchase Yah Messiah?" Do you purchase Yah Messiah in the same way the Laodiceans could? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 10, 2022 9:46:09 GMT -5
Ken, I've already told ye above, however, your welcome to keep trying to figure out what I've already written above though.
And who is that someone else that ye know? Spying perhaps.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 10, 2022 9:48:16 GMT -5
Also Ken, do ye believe that Yah Messiah was and is Elohim?
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 10, 2022 14:06:25 GMT -5
Ken, I've already told ye above, however, your welcome to keep trying to figure out what I've already written above though. And who is that someone else that ye know? Spying perhaps. Shalom Eliyahu, yes, it is who you thought it was. Could you please help me out and give me the post # that you have already told me HOW you buy Yah Messiah? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 10, 2022 15:10:24 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, it might help you if I do reiterate my questions: I know that you have claimed you already told me "above" that you answered these two questions, but maybe you didn't fully grasp what I was trying to ask of you. You have taught us that you can buy the Truth, and the Truth is Yah Messiah, and you have already taught us that Yah Messiah is "the gold tried in the fire" that He was telling the Laodiceans to buy. So I will reiterate what I am asking of you. What do you use to buy the Truth/Yah Messiah. Do you trade? Is it a "barter?" What is the price that you pay to BUY the Truth/Yah Messiah? Is it the SAME price that the Laodiceans were to pay? And IF you have answered these questions, as I stated, please give me the post # and you might even just copy and paste the sentence that tells me your answers. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 10, 2022 17:10:45 GMT -5
Why Ken, are ye lukewarm like the Laodiceans?
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 10, 2022 19:23:10 GMT -5
Why Ken, are ye lukewarm like the Laodiceans? Shalom Eliyahu, are ye a child of Lucifer? You must be since you are unwillingly to give an answer. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 11, 2022 6:35:50 GMT -5
Why Ken, are ye lukewarm like the Laodiceans? Shalom Eliyahu, are ye a child of Lucifer? You must be since you are unwillingly to give an answer. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. No Ken I'm not are ye? As I said, I've already given ye an answer, and sorry it's not enough for ye.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 11, 2022 11:52:39 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, are ye a child of Lucifer? You must be since you are unwillingly to give an answer. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. No Ken I'm not are ye? As I said, I've already given ye an answer, and sorry it's not enough for ye. Shalom Eliyahu, you probably shouldn't waste any more of your time asking me questions. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 11, 2022 13:02:20 GMT -5
Well Ken, I didn't know that I was wasting my time, and if you have anymore to add to any of these subjects your welcome to do so, suppose ye tell us more of what we buy from Yah Messiah.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 11, 2022 14:12:20 GMT -5
Well Ken, I didn't know that I was wasting my time, and if you have anymore to add to any of these subjects your welcome to do so, suppose ye tell us more of what we buy from Yah Messiah. Shalom Eliyahu, I've already told you, go back and read it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 15, 2022 12:36:36 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 15, 2022 14:00:43 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you are in error.
1 Cor 12:9 is speaking about the gifts of the Spirit that are given out to various believers. Some of the believers were given a very strong faith so that all would profit by their strong faith. Do you want to teach us that ONLY some of the believers were given the gift of faith, while the rest of the Corinthians didn't receive that gift, and then lacked having any faith?
Eph 2:8 is speaking about the gift of righteousness, and it's THROUGH faith that you receive this gift, not that Paul is saying the gift is faith.
2 Thess 1:11 is speaking about how Paul prays that the Thessalonians be counted WORTHY of their calling so that Elohim could fulfill His goodness and work of faith with power. The "work" of faith is NOT the gift of faith as you have misinterpreted Paul as saying.
Was Abraham's faith a gift to him? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 15, 2022 19:18:41 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you are in error. 1 Cor 12:9 is speaking about the gifts of the Spirit that are given out to various believers. Some of the believers were given a very strong faith so that all would profit by their strong faith. Do you want to teach us that ONLY some of the believers were given the gift of faith, while the rest of the Corinthians didn't receive that gift, and then lacked having any faith? Eph 2:8 is speaking about the gift of righteousness, and it's THROUGH faith that you receive this gift, not that Paul is saying the gift is faith. 2 Thess 1:11 is speaking about how Paul prays that the Thessalonians be counted WORTHY of their calling so that Elohim could fulfill His goodness and work of faith with power. The "work" of faith is NOT the gift of faith as you have misinterpreted Paul as saying. Was Abraham's faith a gift to him? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, do ye remember my article written on the gifts of Elohim's grace? Go read them again, and regarding Abraham, has Yah Elohim spoken to you personally as He did to Abraham? Paul wrote this. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8. Who's faith is it, your faith or Yah Messiah Elohim's faith? Read Rev.2:13. It's ye who are in error according to the scriptures, because the apostle Paul also writes. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=the+faith+G4102+of+Christ&t=KJVKen, is faith a "works" to ye? Ken, you putting words in BOTH Messiah and Paul's mouth has become a serious problem for ye and it's made ye vain.
|
|
|
Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 23, 2022 10:01:18 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you are in error. 1 Cor 12:9 is speaking about the gifts of the Spirit that are given out to various believers. Some of the believers were given a very strong faith so that all would profit by their strong faith. Do you want to teach us that ONLY some of the believers were given the gift of faith, while the rest of the Corinthians didn't receive that gift, and then lacked having any faith? Eph 2:8 is speaking about the gift of righteousness, and it's THROUGH faith that you receive this gift, not that Paul is saying the gift is faith. 2 Thess 1:11 is speaking about how Paul prays that the Thessalonians be counted WORTHY of their calling so that Elohim could fulfill His goodness and work of faith with power. The "work" of faith is NOT the gift of faith as you have misinterpreted Paul as saying. Was Abraham's faith a gift to him? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, do ye remember my article written on the gifts of Elohim's grace? Go read them again, and regarding Abraham, has Yah Elohim spoken to you personally as He did to Abraham? Paul wrote this. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8. Who's faith is it, your faith or Yah Messiah Elohim's faith? Read Rev.2:13. It's ye who are in error according to the scriptures, because the apostle Paul also writes. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=the+faith+G4102+of+Christ&t=KJVKen, is faith a "works" to ye? Ken, you putting words in BOTH Messiah and Paul's mouth has become a serious problem for ye and it's made ye vain. Shabbat High Day Sabbath Eliyahu, I am reluctant to even keep responding to your gross error's in properly understanding the Scriptures. Did all the men of Faith have their OWN Faith, or was it the Faith of Messiah (please re-read all of Hebrews 11). And, Rev 2:13 should not be a benchmark for you to misinterpret the belief or the faith of/in Messiah. Roberston's word pictures states this: A number of the NT translations have "faith in me," or "belief/trust in me." So tell me, were the Pergamun's NOT denying HIS Faith, or NOT denying THEIR OWN Faith IN Him? Was Abraham credited with righteousness because of his FAITH, or was it someone else's FAITH?
And why do you keep misinterpreting Eph 2:8? Paul is saying the GIFT is Grace! Why do you challenge Paul's meaning here, and twist his words to mean the GIFT is Faith, NOT Grace?
Please Eliyahu, come to your senses and stop this nonsense. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 23, 2022 17:26:47 GMT -5
Ken,
Ye look at "faith" as a "works", you believe your own ideas instead of the scriptures, and that's your MO of twisting Paul's words, like when you THINK and argue that ""sin is the origin of righteousness "" instead of from Elohim. Then you talk about coming to your senses, and as Paul wrote "your conscience has been seared with a hot iron".
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 23, 2022 17:41:41 GMT -5
And Ken,
Ye don't live by every word of Yah Elohim as Messiah said to do, ye live by Ken's own words ABOUT the scriptures, and in reality your living by the commandments of men.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 11, 2023 11:20:41 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 12, 2024 12:52:43 GMT -5
Ken, if ye come by and read this, it's not that I didn't want to talk to you about Yah Messiah in the "Yah's Calendar In the Heavens" thread, it's just that I ask that topics be kept in their proper place. Now, regarding your ideas about Yah Messiah, these are the texts and words below of Yah Messiah that ye violate. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 that I might take it again...
No man taketh it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 from me, but I lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down of myself. I have power to lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down, and I have power to take it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:14-18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=10&v=15&t=KJV#15No man can take another man's Strong's G5590 - psyche ψυχή and so says Yah Messiah Himself in Matthew 10:28 on the matter, and Messiah said that He gave or layed down His psyche ψυχή G5590 for His sheep or true believers, and Messiah NEVER said that we His sheep killed, took, or sacrificed His psyche ψυχή G5590, and for ye to say so goes AGAINST Messiah's own words above.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 13, 2024 16:35:25 GMT -5
Ken, if ye come by and read this, it's not that I didn't want to talk to you about Yah Messiah in the "Yah's Calendar In the Heavens" thread, it's just that I ask that topics be kept in their proper place. Now, regarding your ideas about Yah Messiah, these are the texts and words below of Yah Messiah that ye violate. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 that I might take it again...
No man taketh it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 from me, but I lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down of myself. I have power to lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down, and I have power to take it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:14-18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=10&v=15&t=KJV#15No man can take another man's Strong's G5590 - psyche ψυχή and so says Yah Messiah Himself in Matthew 10:28 on the matter, and Messiah said that He gave or layed down His psyche ψυχή G5590 for His sheep or true believers, and Messiah NEVER said that we His sheep killed, took, or sacrificed His psyche ψυχή G5590, and for ye to say so goes AGAINST Messiah's own words above. And Ken, ye wrote this on LO-AMMI look inside and outside of your post for my replies. And Ken, here below is a HOST of scriptures by the apostle Paul that contradicts your ideas that "we sacrificed or killed Yahushua". By so much was Jesus/Yahushua made a surety of a better testament/covenant...For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this He/Yahushua did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:22-27. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=7&t=KJV#27How much more shall the blood of Christ/Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God/Elohim, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God/Elohim? Hebrews 9:14. For then must he/Yahushua often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he/Yahushua appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Hebrews 9:27. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=9&t=KJV#14And walk in love, as Christ/Messiah also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us/ours as an offering and a sacrifice to God/Elohim for a sweet smelling savour. Ephesians 5:2. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=5&t=KJV#2It is very clear that Yahushua Messiah gave His psyche ψυχή/G5590 as our offering and sacrifice to Elohim to take away sins. The words above are by the apostle Paul, they are NOT my words, I only believe and accept them.
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 17, 2024 13:25:00 GMT -5
Ken, if ye come by and read this, it's not that I didn't want to talk to you about Yah Messiah in the "Yah's Calendar In the Heavens" thread, it's just that I ask that topics be kept in their proper place. Now, regarding your ideas about Yah Messiah, these are the texts and words below of Yah Messiah that ye violate. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 for the sheep....
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my psyche ψυχή G5590 that I might take it again...
No man taketh it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 from me, but I lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down of myself. I have power to lay it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 down, and I have power to take it/my psyche ψυχή G5590 again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:14-18www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=10&v=15&t=KJV#15No man can take another man's Strong's G5590 - psyche ψυχή and so says Yah Messiah Himself in Matthew 10:28 on the matter, and Messiah said that He gave or layed down His psyche ψυχή G5590 for His sheep or true believers, and Messiah NEVER said that we His sheep killed, took, or sacrificed His psyche ψυχή G5590, and for ye to say so goes AGAINST Messiah's own words here above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken, ye wrote this on LO-AMMI,look inside and outside of your post for my replies to you. Now Ken ye wrote this too. Well in your very FIRST post on your thread here on LO-AMMI www.lo-ammi.org/forum/main/lo-ammi-forum/67385-yeshua-s-shed-blood-his-death you requoted the apostle Paul's words in Acts 20:26. Does Paul's words not also INCLUDE Yah Messiah Himself in "the blood (the death) of all men"?? www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Act&c=20&v=26&t=KJV&sstr=0Ken, old friend, Paul's own words testify to your own face against you and your own words.
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Jan 17, 2024 13:27:40 GMT -5
Eliyahu what did you do, what happened here above?
|
|
|
Post by Eliyahu C. on Jan 17, 2024 13:34:02 GMT -5
Eliyahu what did you do, what happened here above? Ron, I don't know what ye mean that I did? I didn't do anything except post back to Ken's LO-AMMI post.
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Jan 17, 2024 13:42:16 GMT -5
Eliyahu I was reading your posts to ImAHebrew and certain words in your posts vanished for a second and reappeared and rearranged themselves right before my very eyes. That was strange.
|
|