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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 18, 2022 17:20:59 GMT -5
Ken, Where does it say that "the beast is sinful man"? Ken, if the beast is sinful man, does sinful man have 7 heads and 10 horns? This is talking about kings and kingdoms. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=17&t=KJV&sstr=0This fits exactly with the prophet Daniel above, and it's the mark of the beast king/man of the sin and his kingdom, and the false woman church whore is riding and controlling these kings and kingdoms.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 19, 2022 9:57:48 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, I wonder, why would you make your own private interpretation instead of letting the Scriptures interpret themselves? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 19, 2022 10:02:08 GMT -5
Imahebrew: You don't really believe the gospel according to the apostle Paul himself as written; you believe your own gospel ideas about Paul's written words. Shabbat Shalom Ron, The Apostle Paul spoke about the Gospel that he FIRST received, and what he passed on too the Corinthians. Can you explain to me that Gospel which he passed on too the Corinthians? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 20, 2022 6:54:48 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Your own ideas about the gospel won't save you or anyone else; and if you won't believe nor accept the apostle Paul's own written words of the gospel then your sure not going to believe nor accept mine.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 20, 2022 9:29:35 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, I wonder, why would you make your own private interpretation instead of letting the Scriptures interpret themselves? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yea that's funny coming from ye, since your always telling me to explain the scriptures, and when I do, then ye jump all over it, however I did let the scriptures explain itself above, I then gave my opinion about them, and I didn't see you using the scriptures to correct it above either.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 10:09:55 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Your own ideas about the gospel won't save you or anyone else; and if you won't believe nor accept the apostle Paul's own written words of the gospel then your sure not going to believe nor accept mine. Shalom Ron, most do not grasp that the Gospel which the Apostle Paul FIRST received and then PREACHED was a Gospel that was BASED upon what was WRITTEN in the Law. Do you follow Paul and the Scriptures in the Law which he was referring to that the Gospel is ACCORDING to? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 10:20:56 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, I wonder, why would you make your own private interpretation instead of letting the Scriptures interpret themselves? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, yea that's funny coming from ye, since your always telling me to explain the scriptures, and when I do, then ye jump all over it, however I did let the scriptures explain itself above, I then gave my opinion about them, and I didn't see you using the scriptures to correct it above either. Shalom Eliyahu, you always ask me to give a "word for word" Scripture which states exactly what I interpret. Well, you interpret that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast in Dan 7, and as far as I can tell, there is NO "word for word" Scripture that states this. Maybe you could please show us where it is written in the Scriptures that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast spoken of in Dan 7. And if you can't, stop requiring me to do something that you can't do with YOUR OWN private interpretations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 20, 2022 10:37:14 GMT -5
Ken, yea that's funny coming from ye, since your always telling me to explain the scriptures, and when I do, then ye jump all over it, however I did let the scriptures explain itself above, I then gave my opinion about them, and I didn't see you using the scriptures to correct it above either. Shalom Eliyahu, you always ask me to give a "word for word" Scripture which states exactly what I interpret. Well, you interpret that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast in Dan 7, and as far as I can tell, there is NO "word for word" Scripture that states this. Maybe you could please show us where it is written in the Scriptures that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast spoken of in Dan 7. And if you can't, stop requiring me to do something that you can't do with YOUR OWN private interpretations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, The reason I say that the Prophet Daniel's 4th beast Daniel 7 is the apostle John's 1st beast Rev.13:1 is for two reasons, BOTH Daniel's and John's beasts have ten horns, and Daniel's 4th beast would go to the end until Messiah comes Daniel 7:27 and the saints take possession of the kingdom. So the "beast" is a kingdom of nations. Also, then ye should stop requiring me to give my own thoughts on the scriptures too, however, as I told you earlier, I said for us to speak openly about the scriptures too.
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Post by Ron on Mar 20, 2022 10:43:04 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I don't see or find in the letter to the Corinthians where Paul wrote or said that he received the gospel from the law.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 12:03:46 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I don't see or find in the letter to the Corinthians where Paul wrote or said that he received the gospel from the law. Shalom Ron, it's probably because your mind has not been "opened" yet to grasp or understand where it is written in the Law. Yeshua explained or expounded to the Apostle Paul the SAME details that He explained or expounded to the TWO Disciples on the Road to Emmaus: Lk 24:25 - 24:27 25 Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Messiah to have suffered these things, and to enter into His glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
And look at their reaction: Lk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while He talked with us by the way, and while He opened to us the Scriptures?
Later that evening, Yeshua OPENED those same Scriptures (and He began in the Law) to the other Disciples (sans Thomas): Lk 24:44 - 24:47 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning Me.
45 Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Messiah to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
So, when the Apostle Paul stated this to the Corinthians: 1Cor 15:3 - 15:4 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Messiah died for our sins according to the Scriptures;
4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
Wasn't The Apostle Paul just passing onto the Corinthians EXACTLY what He was FIRST opened up to BY Messiah, namely, how Messiah died, was buried, and then resurrected on the 3rd day just exactly as Moses had WRITTEN about it in The Law? Ron, has your mind been "opened" to the Scriptures that Moses wrote in the Law concerning Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection? If not, why not? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 12:26:12 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you always ask me to give a "word for word" Scripture which states exactly what I interpret. Well, you interpret that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast in Dan 7, and as far as I can tell, there is NO "word for word" Scripture that states this. Maybe you could please show us where it is written in the Scriptures that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast spoken of in Dan 7. And if you can't, stop requiring me to do something that you can't do with YOUR OWN private interpretations. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, The reason I say that the Prophet Daniel's 4th beast Daniel 7 is the apostle John's 1st beast Rev.13:1 is for two reasons, BOTH Daniel's and John's beasts have ten horns, and Daniel's 4th beast would go to the end until Messiah comes Daniel 7:27 and the saints take possession of the kingdom. So the "beast" is a kingdom of nations. Also, then ye should stop requiring me to give my own thoughts on the scriptures too, however, as I told you earlier, I said for us to speak openly about the scriptures too. Shalom Eliyahu, look, you asked me, "where does it say the beast is sinful man?" I had already spoke openly about the Scriptures which indicate this, yet, you ask me for it again, so it appears to me that IF you desire to openly speak about YOUR PRIVATE interpretations, you should tell us where it says the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7. Now, the first beast of Rev 13 has 7 heads and 10 horns, and 10 crowns on the 10 horns, and was like a leopard, with feet like a bear, and a mouth like a lion, but the fourth beast of Dan 7 has one head, and upon that head there were 10 horns, plus an additional small horn that ended up displacing 3 horns, which ended up giving this beast 8 horns. Plus the fourth beast of Dan 7 had teeth of iron, claws of brass and the three beasts prior to it that has one like a lion, one like a leopard, and one like a bear....totally different from the Beast of Rev 13. So again, "where does it say the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7?" Please, openly discuss this with me. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Mar 20, 2022 12:35:57 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I'm well aware of how Christ fulfilled the types and shadows; but your making your own jumps of assumptions that Paul was referring to the law in the letter to the Corinthians, because Paul says 'according to the scriptures' in Corinthians. Also, you ignore Paul's own context in 1st Corinthians 15:5-6 speaking about the other apostles who were eyewitnesses to Christ death, burial and resurrection, and that's all of the proof that anyone needs.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 20, 2022 13:03:29 GMT -5
Ken, The reason I say that the Prophet Daniel's 4th beast Daniel 7 is the apostle John's 1st beast Rev.13:1 is for two reasons, BOTH Daniel's and John's beasts have ten horns, and Daniel's 4th beast would go to the end until Messiah comes Daniel 7:27 and the saints take possession of the kingdom. So the "beast" is a kingdom of nations. Also, then ye should stop requiring me to give my own thoughts on the scriptures too, however, as I told you earlier, I said for us to speak openly about the scriptures too. Shalom Eliyahu, look, you asked me, "where does it say the beast is sinful man?" I had already spoke openly about the Scriptures which indicate this, yet, you ask me for it again, so it appears to me that IF you desire to openly speak about YOUR PRIVATE interpretations, you should tell us where it says the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7. Now, the first beast of Rev 13 has 7 heads and 10 horns, and 10 crowns on the 10 horns, and was like a leopard, with feet like a bear, and a mouth like a lion, but the fourth beast of Dan 7 has one head, and upon that head there were 10 horns, plus an additional small horn that ended up displacing 3 horns, which ended up giving this beast 8 horns. Plus the fourth beast of Dan 7 had teeth of iron, claws of brass and the three beasts prior to it that has one like a lion, one like a leopard, and one like a bear....totally different from the Beast of Rev 13. So again, "where does it say the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7?" Please, openly discuss this with me. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, both beasts continue to the end, when it was described to Daniel in his day, it had not acquired all of it's kingdoms or other nations, and it is this kingdom in the end that will try to fight Messiah at His return, and I showed ye ABOVE of the scriptures from BOTH Daniel and the apostle John describing these beasts as a kingdom of nations. The 4th beast of Daniel is Rome, and it was the Roman dictators that changed Yah Elohim's times and laws Daniel 7:25 under Constantine the Great(though I don't know what was so great about him) in 321 and his son Constantious who finished it up forbading the Jewish people from using Yah's true Calendar of the scriptures, and all of the Pope's of Rome have carried this down unto this day. A calendar tells you when to work and when you worship, and it also tells whom you worship, and that is why the messengers are talking about worship so many times in the book of Revelation, because people are either worshiping the devil or the beast using their false worldly calendar, and their are those of Yah Elohim who only use Yah Elohim's Calendar of the scriptures that worship Him only. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=worship&page=2&t=KJV
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 16:50:30 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, look, you asked me, "where does it say the beast is sinful man?" I had already spoke openly about the Scriptures which indicate this, yet, you ask me for it again, so it appears to me that IF you desire to openly speak about YOUR PRIVATE interpretations, you should tell us where it says the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7. Now, the first beast of Rev 13 has 7 heads and 10 horns, and 10 crowns on the 10 horns, and was like a leopard, with feet like a bear, and a mouth like a lion, but the fourth beast of Dan 7 has one head, and upon that head there were 10 horns, plus an additional small horn that ended up displacing 3 horns, which ended up giving this beast 8 horns. Plus the fourth beast of Dan 7 had teeth of iron, claws of brass and the three beasts prior to it that has one like a lion, one like a leopard, and one like a bear....totally different from the Beast of Rev 13. So again, "where does it say the first beast of Rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast of Dan 7?" Please, openly discuss this with me. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, both beasts continue to the end, when it was described to Daniel in his day, it had not acquired all of it's kingdoms or other nations, and it is this kingdom in the end that will try to fight Messiah at His return, and I showed ye ABOVE of the scriptures from BOTH Daniel and the apostle John describing these beasts as a kingdom of nations. The 4th beast of Daniel is Rome, and it was the Roman dictators that changed Yah Elohim's times and laws Daniel 7:25 under Constantine the Great(though I don't know what was so great about him) in 321 and his son Constantious who finished it up forbading the Jewish people from using Yah's true Calendar of the scriptures, and all of the Pope's of Rome have carried this down unto this day. A calendar tells you when to work and when you worship, and it also tells whom you worship, and that is why the messengers are talking about worship so many times in the book of Revelation, because people are either worshiping the devil or the beast using their false worldly calendar, and their are those of Yah Elohim who only use Yah Elohim's Calendar of the scriptures that worship Him only. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=worship&page=2&t=KJV Shalom Eliyhau, so you do agree with the Scriptures that show sinful man is the Beast of Rev 13? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 20, 2022 16:53:08 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: I'm well aware of how Christ fulfilled the types and shadows; but your making your own jumps of assumptions that Paul was referring to the law in the letter to the Corinthians, because Paul says 'according to the scriptures' in Corinthians. Also, you ignore Paul's own context in 1st Corinthians 15:5-6 speaking about the other apostles who were eyewitnesses to Christ death, burial and resurrection, and that's all of the proof that anyone needs. Shalom Ron, so the Law is not part of the Scriptures that Messiah died according to? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 20, 2022 17:06:35 GMT -5
Ken, do ye see where I said this?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 24, 2022 16:22:50 GMT -5
Spying, if ye read this, I do agree with you that a given gift is not selling it, because a gift is a gift, and there are examples in scriptures that the gifts given of Yah Elohim cannot be bought.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 24, 2022 17:15:20 GMT -5
Spying, you and Ken have always chided me because I rarely give my opinion, however, what Messiah means in Revelation 3:18? The scripture tells us to buy the truth and sell it not, well Yahushua Messiah is the Word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Yah Messiah is also the spoken and written Word of Truth, and His both spoken and written Word is spiritual knowledge, wisdom, life, and understanding of Him, and is more precious than the finest of fine gold.
I don't need to tell ye where these truths are written at in the scriptures, because I think that ye already know where they are mentioned.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 26, 2022 9:42:33 GMT -5
Ken, do ye see where I said this? Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you said this by or through YOUR interpreting that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the fourth Beast of Dan 7. You see, I have interpreted that Sinful man is BOTH Beasts of Rev 13, and since you are NOW accepting PRIVATE interpretations, it should only stand to reason that you would accept mine. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 26, 2022 9:45:36 GMT -5
Spying, you and Ken have always chided me because I rarely give my opinion, however, what Messiah means in Revelation 3:18? The scripture tells us to buy the truth and sell it not, well Yahushua Messiah is the Word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Yah Messiah is also the spoken and written Word of Truth, and His both spoken and written Word is spiritual knowledge, wisdom, life, and understanding of Him, and is more precious than the finest of fine gold. I don't need to tell ye where these truths are written at in the scriptures, because I think that ye already know where they are mentioned. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, good point about buying the Truth and selling it not. Please give YOUR opinion as to HOW one can BUY the Truth, and HOW one can SELL the Truth. Hopefully, you have given this some thought. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 26, 2022 13:25:36 GMT -5
Ken, do ye see where I said this? Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you said this by or through YOUR interpreting that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the fourth Beast of Dan 7. You see, I have interpreted that Sinful man is BOTH Beasts of Rev 13, and since you are NOW accepting PRIVATE interpretations, it should only stand to reason that you would accept mine. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, This the plain interpretation of the scriptures itself. Read it here in Daniel 2. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=2&t=KJV#34Read it here in Daniel 7. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV&sstr=0The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, it will go unto the end, Yah Messiah the Stone shall break this kingdom in pieces, and the kingdom shall be given unto the saints of the Most High YAH, and I already gave you the texts in the book of Revelation above. Sorry Ken, I only accept the straight interpretation of the scriptures itself, and yet IF I do give my opinion it will not contradict the already written texts, but too, I will listen to yours and others opinions.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 26, 2022 13:37:19 GMT -5
Spying, you and Ken have always chided me because I rarely give my opinion, however, what Messiah means in Revelation 3:18? The scripture tells us to buy the truth and sell it not, well Yahushua Messiah is the Word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Yah Messiah is also the spoken and written Word of Truth, and His both spoken and written Word is spiritual knowledge, wisdom, life, and understanding of Him, and is more precious than the finest of fine gold. I don't need to tell ye where these truths are written at in the scriptures, because I think that ye already know where they are mentioned. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, good point about buying the Truth and selling it not. Please give YOUR opinion as to HOW one can BUY the Truth, and HOW one can SELL the Truth. Hopefully, you have given this some thought. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Yah Messiah is ALL of these ABOVE, we buy HIM Who is more precious than fine gold when we REPENT of our sins, believe in Him and accept Him and His offering sacrifice to Elohim for us on the Cross, and Messiah does not tell us in Revelation 3:18 to sell.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 27, 2022 6:18:24 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, good point about buying the Truth and selling it not. Please give YOUR opinion as to HOW one can BUY the Truth, and HOW one can SELL the Truth. Hopefully, you have given this some thought. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Yah Messiah is ALL of these ABOVE, we buy HIM Who is more precious than fine gold when we REPENT of our sins, believe in Him and accept Him and His offering sacrifice to Elohim for us on the Cross, and Messiah does not tell us in Revelation 3:18 to sell. Shalom Eliyahu, you are close. In simpler terms, you BUY with or through YOUR Faith or Belief, and even though Messiah does not mention the "selling" of Gold tried in the fire, that can be done. The selling of the Gold tried in the fire is done with or through the LACK of Faith (falling away-having your faith shipwrecked). Hopefully you can see this simple explanation. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 27, 2022 6:43:11 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you said this by or through YOUR interpreting that the first Beast of Rev 13 is the fourth Beast of Dan 7. You see, I have interpreted that Sinful man is BOTH Beasts of Rev 13, and since you are NOW accepting PRIVATE interpretations, it should only stand to reason that you would accept mine. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, This the plain interpretation of the scriptures itself. Read it here in Daniel 2. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=2&t=KJV#34Read it here in Daniel 7. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV&sstr=0The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, it will go unto the end, Yah Messiah the Stone shall break this kingdom in pieces, and the kingdom shall be given unto the saints of the Most High YAH, and I already gave you the texts in the book of Revelation above. Sorry Ken, I only accept the straight interpretation of the scriptures itself, and yet IF I do give my opinion it will not contradict the already written texts, but too, I will listen to yours and others opinions. Shalom Eliyahu, here again, you fail to "see" the big picture. There are FOUR beasts in Daniel 7, and ALL FOUR Beasts picture the FIRST Beast of Rev 13, not just the fourth Beast. The first Beast of Rev 13 rises out of the "sea." Is not the "sea" another description of "many waters," and are we not told that the "many waters" are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues? This "many waters," or "sea" is the Sea of Humanity, and both the first Beast of Rev 13 and ALL four beasts of Dan 7 rises up out of the Sea of Humanity. And out of the Sea of Humanity, ALL have sinned, and just as King David REALIZED, he was as a Beast before Elohim BECAUSE of his sin with Uriah: Psa 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before Thee.And those who lack understanding, even though they have wealth, are just like beasts that perish: Psa 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.So basically, sinful mankind needs to grasp and understand, that they IN that estate, are Beasts: Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that Elohim might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.So you see Eliyahu, some of us have a proper PRIVATE interpretation concerning Dan 7 and Rev 13, but most do not. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 27, 2022 10:17:12 GMT -5
Ken, This the plain interpretation of the scriptures itself. Read it here in Daniel 2. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=2&t=KJV#34Read it here in Daniel 7. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV&sstr=0The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, it will go unto the end, Yah Messiah the Stone shall break this kingdom in pieces, and the kingdom shall be given unto the saints of the Most High YAH, and I already gave you the texts in the book of Revelation above. Sorry Ken, I only accept the straight interpretation of the scriptures itself, and yet IF I do give my opinion it will not contradict the already written texts, but too, I will listen to yours and others opinions. Shalom Eliyahu, here again, you fail to "see" the big picture. There are FOUR beasts in Daniel 7, and ALL FOUR Beasts picture the FIRST Beast of Rev 13, not just the fourth Beast. The first Beast of Rev 13 rises out of the "sea." Is not the "sea" another description of "many waters," and are we not told that the "many waters" are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues? This "many waters," or "sea" is the Sea of Humanity, and both the first Beast of Rev 13 and ALL four beasts of Dan 7 rises up out of the Sea of Humanity. And out of the Sea of Humanity, ALL have sinned, and just as King David REALIZED, he was as a Beast before Elohim BECAUSE of his sin with Uriah: Psa 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before Thee.And those who lack understanding, even though they have wealth, are just like beasts that perish: Psa 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.So basically, sinful mankind needs to grasp and understand, that they IN that estate, are Beasts: Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that Elohim might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.So you see Eliyahu, some of us have a proper PRIVATE interpretation concerning Dan 7 and Rev 13, but most do not. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, the fourth beast or kingdom incorporates all of kingdoms before it. And Ken, ye also disobey and ignore this advice from the apostle Peter, because there is NO proper private interpretation of prophecy of the scriptures. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:19-21. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Pe&c=1&t=KJV#20
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 27, 2022 10:22:52 GMT -5
And Ken, the book of Revelation is a book of REVEALING, and NOT a book of concealing, and if the beast was merely sinful man, then John would have wrote it so, but he did not.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 2, 2022 8:53:28 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, you previously made a "private interpretation" by saying the following: Do you see what you "privately interpreted?" You interpreted that John's FIRST BEAST of Rev 13:1 is the prophet Daniel's FOURTH BEAST of Dan 7:23-25. Then you quote Daniel where it states that the FOURTH BEAST will be DIFFERENT (diverse) from all of the other kingdoms (the prior first 3 beasts/kingdoms). Then you make ANOTHER "private interpretation" by stating the following, after I pointed out very clearly how the Scriptures show that ALL four beasts of Dan 7 PICTURE the FIRST BEAST of Rev 13: So Eliyahu, YOUR "private interpretations" of Scriptures seems to change from John's FIRST BEAST being the prophet Daniel's FOURTH BEAST, to John's FIRST BEAST being the prophets Daniel's FOURTH BEAST that has "incorporated" all of the kingdoms before it. One big giant corporation! Please Eliyahu, stop with your OWN "private interpretations" of Scriptures, and stick to allowing the Scriptures to INTERPRET Themselves, or at least ALLOW the Spirit of Elohim to guide you to interpret. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Apr 2, 2022 9:14:45 GMT -5
And Ken, the book of Revelation is a book of REVEALING, and NOT a book of concealing, and if the beast was merely sinful man, then John would have wrote it so, but he did not. Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, so the book of Revelation is a book that reveals everything plainly? Then why would Messiah say on multiple occasions: " He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches?" Or why would the seven thunders that had uttered their voices not be allowed by John to be written, but to "seal" up those things? I would agree that it is a Book of REVEALING, but for ONLY those who have ears to hear, so that it is not "sealed" to them. Do you have "hearing ears" Eliyahu, or do you just look at the "plain" text and take it verbatim? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Ron on Apr 2, 2022 11:19:40 GMT -5
ImAHebrew: Eliyahu said above that both of you could speak openly about the scriptures; but he was pointing out that yours or his ideas about the scriptures is not the Bible's writers own meaning and interpretation.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Apr 2, 2022 12:12:52 GMT -5
Ken, Yah Messiah is ALL of these ABOVE, we buy HIM Who is more precious than fine gold when we REPENT of our sins, believe in Him and accept Him and His offering sacrifice to Elohim for us on the Cross, and Messiah does not tell us in Revelation 3:18 to sell. Shalom Eliyahu, you are close. In simpler terms, you BUY with or through YOUR Faith or Belief, and even though Messiah does not mention the "selling" of Gold tried in the fire, that can be done. The selling of the Gold tried in the fire is done with or through the LACK of Faith (falling away-having your faith shipwrecked). Hopefully you can see this simple explanation. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, your ideas sound like Mark 7:11, the free gifts of Yah Elohim including faith are free gifts and cannot be bought or sold, and this is proven in Acts 8:20, and to do so is to diminish them.
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