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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 12, 2022 10:29:45 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, are you saying you will turn over a NEW leaf...DISCUSSING and EXPOUNDING the Scriptures instead of just quoting them and expecting everyone to grasp their meaning? See, you read a verse by the Apostle Paul and THINK he is CLEARLY telling you what YOU believe, yet, I read the same verse and take Paul to mean something that you cannot grasp. Paul speaks about "eternal redemption," and you, along with traditional christianity believe Paul is speaking about satisfying the penalty of your sin ETERNALLY, and that is not at all the focus of what he meant. He is speaking about eternally being REDEEMED from being a sinner. It is a "purging" of sin FROM the life of a sinner, and ONCE this has taken place, no more sacrifice is needed to "take your sin away." Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent blood was shed to "take away" sin FROM the LIFE of sinners, to where they are no longer actively or deliberately sinning from their heart. That is the "cleansing" FROM sin BY His Blood, and you mistake Paul to mean that Elohim requires Righteous/Innocent shed blood to satisfy His Justice in forgiving sinners. That is delusional and a complete twisting/distorting of Paul. Hopefully you will see this some day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. No Ken, when I read a verse by the apostle Paul, I think that Paul is telling me exactly what he-Paul means and believes, and I put together ALL of Paul's written texts on a subject to get a proper exegesis from his texts as to all and exactly as he thinks, means, and believes. However, I thought that you and I both could speak openly about certain texts by the apostle Paul and what he means like in Philippians chapter 1. here. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Phl&c=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Are ye willing to do so? Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, so think that Paul is telling you exactly what he-Paul means and believes? Do you not believe that the writings of Paul are hard to understand, and do you believe they are easy to understand? Concerning your request of me, first tell me, how many pearls do you require of me BEFORE you will stop stomping them into the mud? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 10:42:17 GMT -5
Ken, yes I think that Paul is telling us as he means and believes, and being Spirit inspired, and yes some of the things that Paul writes are hard to be understood by those who do not know the Hebrew scriptures.
I was merely asking you, if you would be willing to discuss openly what YE think that Paul means in Philippians 1:21-24, and I don't really mean to trample on your pearls either.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 10:49:02 GMT -5
Ken,
Paul writes. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
What do you think that Paul means here?
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 12, 2022 12:11:16 GMT -5
Ken, yes I think that Paul is telling us as he means and believes, and being Spirit inspired, and yes some of the things that Paul writes are hard to be understood by those who do not know the Hebrew scriptures. I was merely asking you, if you would be willing to discuss openly what YE think that Paul means in Philippians 1:21-24, and I don't really mean to trample on your pearls either. Shabbat Shalom Again Eliyahu, well, why don't you go first so we can see if you truly will "openly" discuss what you think Paul means. And I'm not so sure you really mean to NOT trample on my pearls, as you have faithfully done so in the past. I have to depart right now and be someplace else, so it may be a little before you hear from me again. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 12:38:52 GMT -5
Ok Ken, I will go first. Paul writes. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.Paul indicates to be talking about living and dying here in this verse above, because he says to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. Philippians 1:21-24. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Phl&c=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Paul seems to indicate to depart or die is to be with Messiah which is far better for him, but it is better with the Philippians if he didn't. So what is your ideas about these verses?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 12:47:33 GMT -5
I would also welcome anyone else's opinion on these verses as well.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 13:41:53 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, are you saying you will turn over a NEW leaf...DISCUSSING and EXPOUNDING the Scriptures instead of just quoting them and expecting everyone to grasp their meaning? See, you read a verse by the Apostle Paul and THINK he is CLEARLY telling you what YOU believe, yet, I read the same verse and take Paul to mean something that you cannot grasp. Paul speaks about "eternal redemption," and you, along with traditional christianity believe Paul is speaking about satisfying the penalty of your sin ETERNALLY, and that is not at all the focus of what he meant. He is speaking about eternally being REDEEMED from being a sinner. It is a "purging" of sin FROM the life of a sinner, and ONCE this has taken place, no more sacrifice is needed to "take your sin away." Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent blood was shed to "take away" sin FROM the LIFE of sinners, to where they are no longer actively or deliberately sinning from their heart. That is the "cleansing" FROM sin BY His Blood, and you mistake Paul to mean that Elohim requires Righteous/Innocent shed blood to satisfy His Justice in forgiving sinners. That is delusional and a complete twisting/distorting of Paul. Hopefully you will see this some day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Where did I write or say this at all? Ye presume with me the same as ye do Paul's words, even to the point of contradicting Paul's words, yes, I believe that Yah Messiah takes our sins away. And if ye also believe that Messiah "takes your sins away" then how does He "turn your sins into righteousness" as ye have written, and where is this "turning sins into righteousness" written by Paul at all? Also, I can only righteously judge by the scriptures the things that ye write yourself, but I don't presume to judge your ideas by the things others believe and write.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 12, 2022 14:08:58 GMT -5
Folks, Spying wrote this on Lo-Ammi, www.lo-ammi.org/Then Spying wrote In other words Spying still believes the serpent's bite.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 13:27:40 GMT -5
Ok Ken, I will go first. Paul writes. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.Paul indicates to be talking about living and dying here in this verse above, because he says to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. Philippians 1:21-24. www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Phl&c=1&t=KJV&sstr=0Paul seems to indicate to depart or die is to be with Messiah which is far better for him, but it is better with the Philippians if he didn't. So what is your ideas about these verses? Shalom Eliyahu, since you gave an honest answer of what you thought Paul was seemingly trying to indicate, here are my thoughts. Yeshua believed that to gain life, one must be willing to give up their life, and when He did this, it was to HIS glorification ( John 12:23-26). Paul knew that he was going to depart, and be "with" Messiah, and I believe he meant he would be as or "with" Messiah in "giving up his life," so that he would GAIN Life (his resurrection from the dead), and Glory. Else where, Paul tells us that Messiah is the FIRST to rise from the dead ( Acts 26:23, Col 1:18, 1 Cor 15:20), and AT His RETURN, those who are dead IN Messiah will rise from the dead as FirstFruits also ( 1 Cor 15:23). Also, Paul knew that being dead is to be dead or asleep, and just as when WE sleep in a physical sense, that sleeping time goes by like in an instant, to where when we awake, we are PRESENT in our AWAKENED condition. You don't look back on your sleeping time as something that is PRESENT, but WHEN you awaken, that IS the PRESENT time, and it is why or how Paul could also say to be absent from the body (dead), and to be PRESENT with the Lord. When the dead in Messiah RISE from the dead (awaken from their sleep/death), that is WHEN they are PRESENT with Messiah, and not before. Who knows Eliyahu, maybe this will make some sense to you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 13:29:54 GMT -5
Shabbat Shalom Eliyahu, are you saying you will turn over a NEW leaf...DISCUSSING and EXPOUNDING the Scriptures instead of just quoting them and expecting everyone to grasp their meaning? See, you read a verse by the Apostle Paul and THINK he is CLEARLY telling you what YOU believe, yet, I read the same verse and take Paul to mean something that you cannot grasp. Paul speaks about "eternal redemption," and you, along with traditional christianity believe Paul is speaking about satisfying the penalty of your sin ETERNALLY, and that is not at all the focus of what he meant. He is speaking about eternally being REDEEMED from being a sinner. It is a "purging" of sin FROM the life of a sinner, and ONCE this has taken place, no more sacrifice is needed to "take your sin away." Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent blood was shed to "take away" sin FROM the LIFE of sinners, to where they are no longer actively or deliberately sinning from their heart. That is the "cleansing" FROM sin BY His Blood, and you mistake Paul to mean that Elohim requires Righteous/Innocent shed blood to satisfy His Justice in forgiving sinners. That is delusional and a complete twisting/distorting of Paul. Hopefully you will see this some day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Where did I write or say this at all? Ye presume with me the same as ye do Paul's words, even to the point of contradicting Paul's words, yes, I believe that Yah Messiah takes our sins away. And if ye also believe that Messiah "takes your sins away" then how does He "turn your sins into righteousness" as ye have written, and where is this "turning sins into righteousness" written by Paul at all? Also, I can only righteously judge by the scriptures the things that ye write yourself, but I don't presume to judge your ideas by the things others believe and write. Shalom Eliyahu, well, I would appreciate if you would then EXPLAIN HOW the Blood of Messiah "takes your sins away?" Where are you sins taken? Just EXACTLY what is the mechanics of HOW Yah Messiah takes away your sins? Don't you believe that He has to bring His Blood INTO the Holy of Holies so that "something" about your sins is taken away? What is taken away? Please answer honestly, and don't quote me any Scriptures that YOU think explains it, just give me your honest explanation. Thanks, and Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 16:39:55 GMT -5
Ken, Where did I write or say this at all? Ye presume with me the same as ye do Paul's words, even to the point of contradicting Paul's words, yes, I believe that Yah Messiah takes our sins away. And if ye also believe that Messiah "takes your sins away" then how does He "turn your sins into righteousness" as ye have written, and where is this "turning sins into righteousness" written by Paul at all? Also, I can only righteously judge by the scriptures the things that ye write yourself, but I don't presume to judge your ideas by the things others believe and write. Shalom Eliyahu, well, I would appreciate if you would then EXPLAIN HOW the Blood of Messiah "takes your sins away?" Where are you sins taken? Just EXACTLY what is the mechanics of HOW Yah Messiah takes away your sins? Don't you believe that He has to bring His Blood INTO the Holy of Holies so that "something" about your sins is taken away? What is taken away? Please answer honestly, and don't quote me any Scriptures that YOU think explains it, just give me your honest explanation. Thanks, and Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, How? Yah Messiah bare or offered up my sins in the Holy of Holies in Heaven Hebrews 9:26; 28, and faith in His atoning blood purifies our consciences from our past sins.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 16:47:49 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, well, I would appreciate if you would then EXPLAIN HOW the Blood of Messiah "takes your sins away?" Where are you sins taken? Just EXACTLY what is the mechanics of HOW Yah Messiah takes away your sins? Don't you believe that He has to bring His Blood INTO the Holy of Holies so that "something" about your sins is taken away? What is taken away? Please answer honestly, and don't quote me any Scriptures that YOU think explains it, just give me your honest explanation. Thanks, and Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, How? Yah Messiah bare or offered up my sins in the Holy of Holies in Heaven Hebrews 9:26; 28, and faith in His atoning blood purifies our consciences from our past sins. Shalom Eliyahu, so the "taking away of your sins" is the taking away of any conscience guilt of your past sins? So you are like the volcano natives who believe the pure virgin being thrown into the mouth of the volcano purifies their consciences from any of their past sins? OK, so why is that any different from what traditional christianity believes concerning how shedding Righteous and Innocent blood atones for and purifies THEIR conscience concerning their past sins? All substitutional and that is delusional. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 16:48:34 GMT -5
You see Ken, only the High Priest was allowed in the most Holy Place in the earthly temple which was a pattern of the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Temple, and Yah Messiah is our High Priest Who entered into the Most Holy Place in Heaven with His own Blood to sprinkle the Holy Place.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 16:54:48 GMT -5
Ken, How? Yah Messiah bare or offered up my sins in the Holy of Holies in Heaven Hebrews 9:26; 28, and faith in His atoning blood purifies our consciences from our past sins. Shalom Eliyahu, so the "taking away of your sins" is the taking away of any conscience guilt of your past sins? So you are like the volcano natives who believe the pure virgin being thrown into the mouth of the volcano purifies their consciences from any of their past sins? OK, so why is that any different from what traditional christianity believes concerning how shedding Righteous and Innocent blood atones for and purifies THEIR conscience concerning their past sins? All substitutional and that is delusional. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Was the apostle Paul delusional too? Whom/Messiah God hath set forth to be a propitiation/atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=faith+in+his+blood&sstr=0&t=KJVSo you tell us Ken, how did you offer up your own sins in the Most Holy Place in Heaven without Yah Messiah doing it for you?
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 16:57:40 GMT -5
You see Ken, I didn't write the book of Hebrews, Paul did.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 17:05:42 GMT -5
Ken, How? Yah Messiah bare or offered up my sins in the Holy of Holies in Heaven Hebrews 9:26; 28, and faith in His atoning blood purifies our consciences from our past sins. Shalom Eliyahu, so the "taking away of your sins" is the taking away of any conscience guilt of your past sins? So you are like the volcano natives who believe the pure virgin being thrown into the mouth of the volcano purifies their consciences from any of their past sins? OK, so why is that any different from what traditional christianity believes concerning how shedding Righteous and Innocent blood atones for and purifies THEIR conscience concerning their past sins? All substitutional and that is delusional. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I can't help but laugh at this. You see, when Yah Messiah died, I died with Him, and I'm dead to sin Romans 6:2. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=dead+to+sin&t=KJV
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Post by Ron on Mar 13, 2022 17:08:40 GMT -5
Eliyahu; You can bet that Imahebrew will kill whole rain forests of explaining, explaining, and explaining.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 17:16:25 GMT -5
You see Ken, only the High Priest was allowed in the most Holy Place in the earthly temple which was a pattern of the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Temple, and Yah Messiah is our High Priest Who entered into the Most Holy Place in Heaven with His own Blood to sprinkle the Holy Place. Shalom Eliyahu, you sound just like a good Lutheran to me...shedding and sprinkling Righteous and Innocent Blood is what satisfies your guilt of sinning. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. You should take these Scriptures to heart and realize that the shedding of Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent Blood was horrendous, and those who try to use His shed Blood the way you and traditional christianity uses the Blood, it does becomes an abomination and a curse: Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which Yehovah thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. Num 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Pro 6:16-17 These six things doth Yehovah hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: (17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to Yehovah. Pro 17:26 Also to punish the Righteous is not good, nor to strike Princes for equity.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 17:22:56 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, so the "taking away of your sins" is the taking away of any conscience guilt of your past sins? So you are like the volcano natives who believe the pure virgin being thrown into the mouth of the volcano purifies their consciences from any of their past sins? OK, so why is that any different from what traditional christianity believes concerning how shedding Righteous and Innocent blood atones for and purifies THEIR conscience concerning their past sins? All substitutional and that is delusional. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, Was the apostle Paul delusional too? Whom/Messiah God hath set forth to be a propitiation/atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=faith+in+his+blood&sstr=0&t=KJVSo you tell us Ken, how did you offer up your own sins in the Most Holy Place in Heaven without Yah Messiah doing it for you? Shalom Eliyahu, IF you would ever grasp the mechanics of Elohim's Grace, and realize that ALL sinner's past sins is what INCREASES Grace (the Free Gift of Righteousness-the Fulfilling of the Commandment to kill or slay YOUR sin offering), then you MIGHT start grasping correctly what the Apostle Paul has written. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 17:23:58 GMT -5
You see Ken, only the High Priest was allowed in the most Holy Place in the earthly temple which was a pattern of the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Temple, and Yah Messiah is our High Priest Who entered into the Most Holy Place in Heaven with His own Blood to sprinkle the Holy Place. Shalom Eliyahu, you sound just like a good Lutheran to me...shedding and sprinkling Righteous and Innocent Blood is what satisfies your guilt of sinning. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. You should take these Scriptures to heart and realize that the shedding of Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent Blood was horrendous, and those who try to use His shed Blood the way you and traditional christianity uses the Blood, it does becomes an abomination and a curse: Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which Yehovah thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. Num 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Pro 6:16-17 These six things doth Yehovah hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: (17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to Yehovah. Pro 17:26 Also to punish the Righteous is not good, nor to strike Princes for equity. Well Ken, ye forget that it's the apostle Paul that wrote those texts, not me, and I'm only re-quoting them.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 17:28:38 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, so the "taking away of your sins" is the taking away of any conscience guilt of your past sins? So you are like the volcano natives who believe the pure virgin being thrown into the mouth of the volcano purifies their consciences from any of their past sins? OK, so why is that any different from what traditional christianity believes concerning how shedding Righteous and Innocent blood atones for and purifies THEIR conscience concerning their past sins? All substitutional and that is delusional. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Ken, I can't help but laugh at this. You see, when Yah Messiah died, I died with Him, and I'm dead to sin Romans 6:2. www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=dead+to+sin&t=KJVShalom Eliyahu, what does the shedding of HIS Righteous and Innocent Blood have to do with the "taking away of your sins?" You are getting just a little closer to moving away from the strong delusion by confessing you are dead to sin, but you still want to hang on to the false belief that Elohim NEEDS Righteous and Innocent Blood shed so that He can forgive you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 17:32:58 GMT -5
So let me see here, according to you, I have to believe that the more one has sinned the more grace increases to get the free gift of righteousness, and to also believe that I killed or slayed Yah Messiah an innocent man. Really? Then ye should heed your own post ABOVE about killing an innocent man-Messiah.
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 17:32:59 GMT -5
Shalom Eliyahu, you sound just like a good Lutheran to me...shedding and sprinkling Righteous and Innocent Blood is what satisfies your guilt of sinning. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. P.S. You should take these Scriptures to heart and realize that the shedding of Yeshua's Righteous and Innocent Blood was horrendous, and those who try to use His shed Blood the way you and traditional christianity uses the Blood, it does becomes an abomination and a curse: Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which Yehovah thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. Num 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Pro 6:16-17 These six things doth Yehovah hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: (17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to Yehovah. Pro 17:26 Also to punish the Righteous is not good, nor to strike Princes for equity. Well Ken, ye forget that it's the apostle Paul that wrote those texts, not me, and I'm only re-quoting them. Shalom Eliyahu, and you are MIS-INTERPRETING those texts, just as the UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE did to what Paul wrote 2000 years ago. I can assure you, the Apostle Paul NEVER went into a Jewish Synagogue and professed as you and traditional christianity professes concerning punishing the Righteous and Innocent One so that Elohim could forgive them. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 17:38:08 GMT -5
Well Ken, ye forget that it's the apostle Paul that wrote those texts, not me, and I'm only re-quoting them. Shalom Eliyahu, and you are MIS-INTERPRETING those texts, just as the UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE did to what Paul wrote 2000 years ago. I can assure you, the Apostle Paul NEVER went into a Jewish Synagogue and professed as you and traditional christianity professes concerning punishing the Righteous and Innocent One so that Elohim could forgive them. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Why of course, Paul's written words are so difficult to read and understand that we all need a POPE Ken to explain them to us. LOL
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Post by ImAHebrew on Mar 13, 2022 17:41:08 GMT -5
So let me see here, according to you, I have to believe that the more one has sinned the more grace increases to get the free gift of righteousness, and to also believe that I killed or slayed Yah Messiah an innocent man. Really? Then ye should heed your own post ABOVE about killing an innocent man-Messiah. Shalom Eliyahu, that is the Power of the Cross, for IF we go on sinning WILLFULLY AFTER receiving the Knowledge of the Truth (concerning how sinners did SLAY Messiah BY SINNING), there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins (no more Free Gift of Righteousness BY SINNING), but only a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 17:49:46 GMT -5
So let me see here, according to you, I have to believe that the more one has sinned the more grace increases to get the free gift of righteousness, and to also believe that I killed or slayed Yah Messiah an innocent man. Really? Then ye should heed your own post ABOVE about killing an innocent man-Messiah. Shalom Eliyahu, that is the Power of the Cross, for IF we go on sinning WILLFULLY AFTER receiving the Knowledge of the Truth (concerning how sinners did SLAY Messiah BY SINNING), there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins (no more Free Gift of Righteousness BY SINNING), but only a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. Yea right, we have to believe that we killed an innocent man violating all of your scriptures above. Is both Paul and John wrong about the meaning of this word they used? Strong's G2434 - hilasmos ἱλασμόςἱλασμός hilasmós, hil-as-mos'; atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:—propitiation. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2434&t=KJVStrong's G2435 - hilasterion ἱλαστήριον ἱλαστήριον hilastḗrion, hil-as-tay'-ree-on; neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), i.e. (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specially) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple):—mercyseat, propitiation. www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2435&t=KJV
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Post by Ron on Mar 13, 2022 17:53:50 GMT -5
Imahebrew: You don't really believe the gospel according to the apostle Paul himself as written; you believe your own gospel ideas about Paul's written words.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 18:03:00 GMT -5
Imahebrew: You don't really believe the gospel according to the apostle Paul himself as written; you believe your own gospel ideas about Paul's written words. Ron, According to Spying and Ken, this is why I was banned from Lo-Ammi, because I believed the apostle Paul's own words OF the gospel, over Spying and Ken's own ideas ABOUT Paul's words.
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 13, 2022 18:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by Eliyahu C. on Mar 14, 2022 14:17:43 GMT -5
Ken and Spying, I can't believe that ye BOTH are telling people that they have to take the mark of the beast in order to buy and sell from Messiah? Isn't that a stretch of the imagination to connect the mark of the beast to buying and selling from Messiah?
The "mark" is of the beast, and is not the mark of Messiah to buy and sell from Him. The apostle John's FIRST BEAST of Revelation 13:1 is the prophet Daniel's FOURTH BEAST of Daniel 7:23-25, and Daniel 7:23 gives the interpretation of the FOURTH BEAST, and it is the fourth (4th) kingdom upon the earth.
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
If you start on a false premise then ye will end up on a false premise too, and you must allow the scriptures to interpret or explain itself which ye do not do.
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